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    Which best describes the town hall protesters of the last couple of weeks?


    First, people like Barbara Boxer and Robert Gibbs say that the protesters are "too well dressed" and that they are obviously corporate astroturf.

    Next, you get Nancy Pelosi saying that protesters are all carrying swastikas.

    And now you're getting Paul Krugman, Chris Matthews, and Cynthia Tucker saying that 45-65% of the protesters are just racists.

    The left is throwing this everywhere, hoping anything will stick.


    I have one question: If this is a racial issue, why did people oppose universal health care when Hillary was pushing it years ago?

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    There are a lot of hate-driven Americans who will oppose anything Magic Negro does because he's a , instead of being wealthy, white guy. These people are racists and fodder willing to be lead through the nose by corporate and Repug agitators.

    "why did people oppose universal health care when Hillary was pushing it years ago"

    For the same reason as today, corporate money muddied up, confused, lied about, and misrepresented health insurance reform so the corps could keep their milk cow producing, taking your salary, and raises, right off the top before it ever hits your bank account, so they can keep cherry picking clients, delaying/fighting/denying payouts, denying health coverage to sick people.

    If there's anybody who qualifies as Nazi, it's the town hall trashers denying any chance for serious, civil, adult discussion. They might as well wear BrownShirts and jackboots.

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    it is not a racial issue but this does not mean that people who oppose obama can not occassionaly be racist. they are not exclusive to one another that is.

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    There are a lot of hate-driven Americans who will oppose anything Magic Negro
    how to contradict yourself in one sentence or less 101

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    Which best describes the town hall protesters of the last couple of weeks?


    First, people like Barbara Boxer and Robert Gibbs say that the protesters are "too well dressed" and that they are obviously corporate astroturf.

    Next, you get Nancy Pelosi saying that protesters are all carrying swastikas.

    And now you're getting Paul Krugman, Chris Matthews, and Cynthia Tucker saying that 45-65% of the protesters are just racists.

    The left is throwing this everywhere, hoping anything will stick.


    I have one question: If this is a racial issue, why did people oppose universal health care when Hillary was pushing it years ago?
    How many of these threads are you going to start? We know you don't like Obama or his policies. We know that you think these are only avg americans practicing their cons utional right. We get it...sheesh

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    I've got many glorious names myself for Pelosi, Boxer, and the gang.

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    There are a lot of hate-driven Americans who will oppose anything Magic Negro does because he's a , instead of being wealthy, white guy. These people are racists and fodder willing to be lead through the nose by corporate and Repug agitators.

    "why did people oppose universal health care when Hillary was pushing it years ago"

    For the same reason as today, corporate money muddied up, confused, lied about, and misrepresented health insurance reform so the corps could keep their milk cow producing, taking your salary, and raises, right off the top before it ever hits your bank account, so they can keep cherry picking clients, delaying/fighting/denying payouts, denying health coverage to sick people.

    If there's anybody who qualifies as Nazi, it's the town hall trashers denying any chance for serious, civil, adult discussion. They might as well wear BrownShirts and jackboots.
    damn boutons, how old are you?

    Are you going to be caught up on this race your entire life? Move on brother. Race has nothing to do with it.

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    i like hearing bluehairs, that are already on medical welfare, about medical welfare.

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    Which best describes the town hall protesters of the last couple of weeks?


    First, people like Barbara Boxer and Robert Gibbs say that the protesters are "too well dressed" and that they are obviously corporate astroturf.

    Next, you get Nancy Pelosi saying that protesters are all carrying swastikas.

    And now you're getting Paul Krugman, Chris Matthews, and Cynthia Tucker saying that 45-65% of the protesters are just racists.

    The left is throwing this everywhere, hoping anything will stick.


    I have one question: If this is a racial issue, why did people oppose universal health care when Hillary was pushing it years ago?
    Again, I will ask you Darrin, since you apparently backtracked from saying Krugman said ALL the protesters are birthers to saying 45-65% of the protesters are racist: Where did Krugman give an actual number in that range? I never saw any number in his article.

    If there is another one, please link it. If you don't have one, just say you made it up and be done with it.

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    "caught up on this race your entire life"

    ain't my problem. Repugs have built 40 years of political strategy on their Southern White Racist card. Magic Negro's skin color is behind much of the hate, and the Repugs play into it. Ask any black person if they think America is post-racial.

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    "caught up on this race your entire life"

    ain't my problem. Repugs have built 40 years of political strategy on their Southern White Racist card. Magic Negro's skin color is behind much of the hate, and the Repugs play into it. Ask any black person if they think America is post-racial.
    You are an absolute ass, and nothing you post is of any interest or relevance. You are one hateful, mean and vile person. I actually feel sorry for you - how awful to go through life with such a hateful outlook and at ude.

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    Crooky, go pound your Bible and don't let facts hit you in the ass.

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    You are an absolute ass, and nothing you post is of any interest or relevance. You are one hateful, mean and vile person. I actually feel sorry for you - how awful to go through life with such a hateful outlook and at ude.
    I bet he's a vegetarian.

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    Again, I will ask you Darrin, since you apparently backtracked from saying Krugman said ALL the protesters are birthers to saying 45-65% of the protesters are racist: Where did Krugman give an actual number in that range? I never saw any number in his article.

    If there is another one, please link it. If you don't have one, just say you made it up and be done with it.

    You're right. Krugman didn't give this figure. Cynthia Tucker did on Chris Matthews' show:


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    so....you made it up.

    nice goin, birther.

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    The Last Gasp of the Angry White Man





    What we're seeing in these angry town halls these days is the last gasp of the angry white man. He's not quite sure what he's angry about, but he knows he's angry. It's not the world he used to know. He gets the disquieting feeling that he doesn't rule the roost anymore. And it's driving him crazy.

    One of the chants at the town hall events was, "No national health care!" Okay, mission accomplished. No one has proposed such a thing. So, I guess they can go home now, befuddled at what they were yelling about.


    The reality is that what they have been manipulated into arguing against is a public option that would give them more choices, not less in health insurance. It wouldn't nationalize health insurance at all, let alone any part of the rest of the health care industry.

    But this isn't about health insurance. It isn't even about health care. You think those people are really this animated about having less health care options and making sure it costs more for them and their family? No, this is visceral for them. And it has nothing to do with their perceived choices on health care. This is about the sinking feeling in their stomach that they are losing power in this country -- losing control. That the reins of power are slipping out of their hands and they don't know what to do about it, except yell, really loud.

    One guy famously shouted, "Keep your government hands off my Medicare." Everyone is understandably amused by this. But there is a larger point here. They don't care about the logic of the issue at hand. I'm not convinced they even care what the issue is. These are the same people that were yelling at the Palin rallies. They were screaming just as loud then, and it was different issues, or no issues at all. Just name calling and fear. Pure, unadulterated fear.

    At a recent Tampa town hall people were yelling at the top of their lungs, "Hear Our Voice." Ironically, that's all we could hear. No one could hear the congresswoman there. Or any arguments that were being made or any issues debated. All they could hear was the loud, angry voices demanding to be heard.

    And who is stoking these fires? Encouraging and egging on these screams, this anger, this fear? Conservative talk hosts all across the country (and, of course, special interest groups funded by the health care industry who are relishing using these poor schleps as fodder for their effort to kill health care reform). They're telling them the proper response is anger. Don't wait your turn. Don't listen to the congressman. Shout. Be heard. Be angry. Obama is taking this country away from you.

    The woman who now famously stood up in a Delaware town hall and demanded that her congressman recognize the illegitimacy of Barack Obama's birth certificate, said something telling in her rant. She said, "I want my country back!"

    Indeed. Where did it go? Of course, the country is still right here. It's the "my" part that's missing. She doesn't want this country back. She wants her country back.

    I want everyone to be heard, too. I hated it when the Bush handlers would keep out dissenting voices from their town halls. If conservatives are frustrated with some of the policy initiatives of the Obama administration, I think it's an appropriately democratic reaction to show up at town halls and ask questions. In fact, if they did it in a way that asked their representatives interesting and tough questions, I'd be proud of them.

    Some of them are holding up cons utions. They finally got them out of the drawer where they were collecting mothballs as the Bush administration ran roughshod over that sacred text. They didn't seem to demand loyalty to that do ent as the Bush team eviscerated the Fourth Amendment.

    But bygones be bygones, if they want to hold Obama responsible for his signing statements for example, great. You can argue he is impinging against Article I of the Cons ution just as Bush did.

    Do you think that's the argument the town hall screamers are making? Come on, can anyone really discern an argument? Could they point to one clause that they think Obama has violated? My guess is if challenged they would scream out the Second Amendment. Except Obama has not only not done anything to impose gun control, he has gone out of his way to rein in his Attorney General to make sure he also does nothing about it. It isn't about the Second Amendment. It isn't about the Cons ution. It's about the anger.

    It's a self-justifying anger. The angrier they get the more they feel the imperative to get angry. What is it? What's really eating away at them? I don't think it's a conscious racial thing for them. It's more a feeling of their way of life slipping away from them.

    Think about it. If you worked at the local shop and in the old days you could get your son hired there, things were pretty good. Now, they tell you that they have to give the job to someone else's son. Someone that doesn't look like you, someone that you've never met or ever talked to. There's been a lot of generations of that now.

    You think those guys are going to inquire into the history of racial prejudice in this country and why it might make sense to increase diversity in a workplace when some groups have been excluded entirely? No, all they know is that their son couldn't get the same job that their dads got for them. They want their country back.

    Of course, this has been building up for quite awhile. But now they have lost their political power. Now the epitome of what they were fighting against is their new leader. His first hire for the Supreme Court is a Hispanic woman, who they hear is racist against white men and was only picked because of her race and gender.

    And when the president is talking about a confrontation between a white man (a cop trying to do his job) and a black man (another one that got to be a professor, though God knows if he earned it), he immediately chooses the side of the black man -- without even knowing the facts. Man, they're angry. This is the guy they were warned about.

    Whether their perception is true is not relevant. It's the intensity of the perception that is relevant. And on top of all this, they feel the whole system is rigged against the average guy (and they're right about this one).

    The bankers get all the money. The government spends a ton of cash, but they feel like it never comes to them. It feels like the guys at the top are the ones who always make out like bandits (the fact that their anger against this is being used by those same guys for their own interests is of tremendous irony).

    But then add on top of that, their team lost. They don't feel like the president is "one of them." Maybe that's not even malicious, or at least consciously malicious. But that's how they feel. The world is changing around them and every time they turn on the radio or television (which, of course, is glued to Fox News), they are being told they're right to be angry. And that their anger should be directed primarily at one man: Barack Obama.

    That's where the trouble comes in. It's starting to feel like a third world country around here. In developing countries there are organized mobs. There are disruptions of political gatherings. There are angry crowds and talk of gathering weapons. Talk of revolutions (one man in South Carolina told Rep. Inglis that "there is not a day that goes by ... that I don't hear talk of revolution in our country.").

    We're America. We're supposed to be better than this.

    We're supposed to resolve our differences peaceably and civilly. We're supposed to listen to one another. We're supposed to have the best democracy in the world. As it stands, we're one burning tire away from Haiti. We have to dial this thing back down.

    Of course, the problem isn't the progressives here. Their side won. The moderates and independents aren't necessarily boiling over with anger. No, in this case, it's the right-wing. And there's the problem. Because there does not seem to be anyone on that side who is capable or inclined to bring down the volume of the conversation. If anything, their response is more shouting, more disruptions, more rancor and more ac ulation of weapons. As one local Republican nominee in Virginia put it, "We have the chance to fight this battle at the ballot box before we have to resort to the bullet box." So, what happens when they keep losing at the ballot box?

    It's beginning to smell a lot like banana republic around here. And there is no answer. If you try to suggest that they bring it down a notch, they scream censorship and warn their audience that their rights are about to be taken away from them. And so is their country. If you say it might not be such a good idea to have all of these weapons in the hands of all these angry men, they scream about the Second Amendment and tell their audience to hold on to their guns even tighter. And many have held on so tight that some of them even pulled the trigger.

    How many more will? When does this stoking of anger and fear stop? And who would stop it? I really don't know. Here's one more thing I don't know. What happens if it doesn't?


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    why don't you tell us about your health insurance?

    who is the provider?

    how about some details?

    unless you're afraid to give us the details.

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    I think the exprssion used to be that "prayer was the last refuge of a scoundrel". Now I think it's more like "playing the race card is the last refuge of a scoundrel." Let's face it they can't tell the truth what else they got, but the race card.It's embarassing and pathetic, and I think that it translates down to the people.

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    thanks micca.

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    which best describes the town hall protesters of the last couple of weeks?
    Ignorance is strength.

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    I bet he's a vegetarian.
    WTF? lol

    Does being a vegetarian make one hateful?

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    WTF? lol

    Does being a vegetarian make one hateful?
    Whott's comments often don't make sense to me also.
    Last edited by Wild Cobra; 08-11-2009 at 11:02 AM.

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    A vegetarian at a gas station yelled at him once.

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    Macho Man Whott thinks manhood, or even personhood, is defined by what you eat. As usual, he's magnificently wrong.

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