This stems from the Manu vs. Dirk thread in the Spurs section. Poll coming. Discuss.
Better talent: Joe Johnson
Player who's gotten more out of his talent: Manu Ginobili
If you're strictly discussing each player's peak, right now I'd take Manu. Johnson is an amazing player and without a doubt more talented, but he coasts. Manu never coasts (at least not when I see him). I don't think JJ will ever maximize his talent the way Manu has.
Now, if your toss up is "right now, who's better?", then I'll take JJ, but that's not really fair to Manu since he's so much older.
joe johnson, without question
thre anillos, puta.
Manu.
Joe Johnson has a lot of Casper in him and he's a fraidy cat ta boot. A straw dog as well.
Ginobili will hunt an opponent and take joy in the kill/an absolute rarity for a foreign born player.
Johnson wants no part of the hunt, nor the kill.
I drafted Joe Johnson last night, with my second rounder which could have been used on Manu.
Is this a fantasy basketball question?
Wtf do you mean? He left Phoenix because he wanted to be the man in Atlanta and take all the big shots. Both JJ and Manu are two clutch players that both love taking the big shot, you can't argue the clutch factor against either one.
In order to appreciate Rogue you have to understand his sense of humor, something that took me a long time to do.
i drafted joe johnson last night, with my second rounder which could have been used on manu.
lol!
Joe Johnson > Dirk
I guess JJ should get criticized for not always giving a full effort, I'll admit that's the case. He was medically cleared to play game 1 and 2 of the WCF in 2005, but he didn't play because he was worried two bad games he might have would affect the contract he got the next season.
Johnson talked the talk, but, he's never walked it.
Johnson never looks eye.
Manu same thing, but, Manu never looks because he just busted somebody's ass and he won't even give them the courtesy (the out) to "see" them. It's a mental ploy, and its wonderful to behold. Duncan looks, Parker looks, Kobe looks, but, Manu don't look...." you." he's saying to himself.
And btw I'm not saying JJ is way better than Manu, I expect this to be a close poll. Part of the reason I made it.
For the regular season - JJ
For the playoffs, give me Manu
I think JJ has more than walked the walk. When he left Phoenix everyone (including myself) was laughing thinking the Hawks would suck his entire career and he'd never be able to lead a team. I'd say he's getting the last laugh winning more playoff games than Phoenix each of the last two seasons.
JJ is all talk. As much as I'd like to vote JJ to piss of Spurfans, Manu is better.
Manu, imo.
But close.
Has JJ been a postseason choker?
No, from what I recall, he pretty much singlehandedly led the Hawks to a 7 game series against the Celtics a couple years ago, when EVERYONE thought it would be an easy sweep. JJ his a lot of BIG shots in that series too.
JJ is an underrated and clutch player. And is much better of a basketball player than Ginobili. Replace JJ with Ginobili on that Hawks team, and they don't even sniff the playoffs.
I never said JJ was a postseason choker.
Both are very good players.
I just pick Manu. I think he is capable of taking over in a game 7 of the Finals.
JJ? Probably could, but I´m not so sure.
Manu is better
My point is, JJ hasn't done anything to prove he isnt capable of performing in the playoffs.
And it's easy to say Manu can do that when he was playing under Timmy doing that. JJ is out there busting everyones ass as the #1 guy, unlike Manu.
JJ > Manu.
Glad someone else doesn't get this. JJ and Manu both have very comparable post season numbers, the difference is one of them played in his first post season at the age of 25 and has always had a HOF big man who opens up the perimeter for his teammates.
Meanwhile, JJ's first post season was at age 21 with one of the NBA's biggest ball hogs notorious for making his teammates worse playing point. It'd be interesting to see JJ's numbers if he got to play off Tim Duncan.
Joe Johnson's more talented, and Manu is more accomplished.
Why? Cause he's done more as the 2nd or 3rd wheel than Joe Johnson has done as the best player?
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