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I voted JJ purely because he is the better player right now, if you're talking prime i'd take Manu any day but as of right now its' JJ.
Pretty much. Put Johnson in Manu's position, and the results would probably be the same.
I voted JJ purely because he is the better player right now, if you're talking prime i'd take Manu any day but as of right now its' JJ.
I don't get why people say that JJ is more talented than Gino, I've watched a lot of Joe's games and I have never seen him doing anything remotely eye-poping so I went to see some of his youtube highlights and I remain with the same thought: nothing special.
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IMO Manu is not only the better player but the more talented and more fun to watch also.
LOL at this thread
How many times has Manu torched JJ ?
A LOT
of course spurfans would choose manu. just making the choices they are supposed to choose. no surprises here
why don't you give your reasons of why you think Joe Johnson is better than Manu instead of playing the "homer" card?of course spurfans would choose manu. just making the choices they are supposed to choose. no surprises here
J.J.
Is 3-8 record in postseason a choker? is it?
Manu's PER numbers each season-
2002-03 - 14.48
2003-04 - 18.54
2004-05 - 22.35
2005-06 - 22.43
2006-07 - 24.18
2007-08 - 24.07
2008-09 - 22.93
Joe's PER numbers each season-
2002-03 - 12.10
2003-04 - 13.88
2004-05 - 15.19
2005-06 - 17.95
2006-07 - 19.56
2007-08 - 17.67
2008-09 - 18.26
Manu has always been the better player.
Ginobli drops 40 as Spurs hold off Hawksof course spurfans would choose manu. just making the choices they are supposed to choose. no surprises here
Associated Press
ATLANTA (AP) - Manu Ginobili is thriving as the San Antonio Spurs' sixth man.
Ginobili scored a season-high 40 points, including 24 straight in the first half, and Tim Duncan had 30 points to help the Spurs beat the Atlanta Hawks 103-96 on Wednesday night.
''I've had some good stretches in my career,'' Ginobili said. ''Today was kind of impressive.
''In those three or four minutes, or however many they were, maybe, yeah, it was some of the best.''
The Spurs, who pulled to within eight games of Dallas in the Southwest Division, have won four straight after losing four of five.
Entering the game late in the first quarter, Ginobili missed two of his first four shots before hitting six in a row from the field and all seven attempts on free throws. The Spurs led 39-23 at the end of his flurry, and Ginobili had 27 points on 9-of-13 shooting before halftime.
''He was pretty special tonight,'' Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said. ''He's just a heck of a hard cover for any defence because he does everything a little bit different than most players.
''I don't even know what he's going to do half of the time. Tonight he was really on, and he got us over the hump.''
Joe Johnson scored 30 points for the Hawks, who have lost two straight.
Zaza Pachulia scored 15 of his 23 points in the third quarter. He went 6-for-7 from the field, twice helping Atlanta tie the game in the final minute of the period.
''Ginobili was huge for their team, and I don't care how you cut it, when you have a low post player like Duncan, it just makes it tough on any team,'' Hawks coach Mike Woodson said. ''We tried to double-team him at times, but sometimes we didn't get the double there quick enough and he was still making plays.''
San Antonio never trailed after Tony Parker's layup made it 4-3. Parker missed eight straight shots before his 20-footer gave the Spurs a 91-82 lead with 3:51 remaining.
A flagrant foul by Johnson led to a five-point possession for the Spurs, as Brent Barry hit three foul shots and Duncan had two. Woodson was hit with a technical foul during the possession, which came with 8:07 left and made it 92-73.
Atlanta missed 14-of-35 free throws and went just 1-for-6 beyond the arc.
''I guess you could say it cost us the game,'' Hawks guard Speedy Claxton said. ''Next game, we have to try to stay focused at the line.''
Ginobili never scored more than 29 points last season before finishing with 32 points in a victory over Sacramento in the first round of the playoffs.
In the last nine games as San Antonio's sixth man, Ginobili averaged 17.4 points in 25 minutes to become the NBA's second-most productive reserve. Only Chicago's Ben Gordon, with 22.5 points in 31.1 minutes, had a better average.
''After I hit those first four field goals, of course I started feeling well, and Pop starting calling every single play for me,'' Ginobili said. ''All of them worked. I was feeling good.
''Even the mid-range jumpers were falling in.''
Woodson used Johnson and Josh Childress to defend Ginobili in the second half.
''They starter playing better D,'' Ginobili said. ''They are so long and athletic, they are always in the passing lanes. They are a tough team when the get in a rhythm, so they started running, making some shots. We had a really ugly stretch there.''
Atlanta, which won three of four before the all-star break, closed within five on Childress' follow dunk with 2:47 remaining. Josh Smith had 11 rebounds for the Hawks.
Notes: The Spurs improved to 22-4 this season when scoring 100 points . . . At 20-10, San Antonio is attempting to become the third team in history to have 10 consecutive winning seasons on the road. The Lakers did it from 1979-90 and the Celtics from 1959-68 . . . Atlanta's Tyronn Lue missed his sixth straight game with a sore hamstring.
You act like basketball is an individual sport. I always thought winning and losing was a team thing. Silly me.
This question took some thinking, as I was going over everyone's responses while I was mulling over my choice. At first I wanted to pick Johnson but after thinking about it I'm gonna have to go with Ginobili.
Everyone is talking about how JJ has more talent but really, what has he done that's so amazing? I don't see him dismantling teams in the playoffs like Ginobili used to do. And look at their PER numbers, Ginobili is way ahead of Johnson in that department.
I think everyone here is forgetting how sick Ginobili really is. He's not just some unskilled dude hitting threes off of Duncan being triple teamed. That's Finley. Ginobili is a beast and can do everything Johnson can and probably do it better and with more intensity. Plus Ginobili does so many other things besides score. What else does Johnson do?
Ginobili can rebound like a madman, can dish off some beautiful assists, make timely blocks, multiple steals, etc.
Ginobili > Johnson
24 straight points on JJ
Eart , Manu haters
If you replace Joe Johnson with Manu, do the Hawks make the playoffs and advance one round last year?
I'm sure having Tim Duncan on his team had nothing to do with why he was able to dismantle so many teams.
DUNCAN, next time you concoct a Poll, make sure to delineate whether the subjects are at prime, or, at present day.
playoff stats:
JJ: 15.8 points, 4.3 rebounds, 3.2 assists, 42.3% shooting
Manu: 16.0 points, 4.8 rebounds, 3.5 assists, 44.3% shooting
I don't understand how Manu is so much better in the playoffs, especially since JJ's playoff stats would be better if not for the 6 playoff games he played as a 21 YO with Stephon Marbury hogging the ball.
Manu is better in the playoffs because he makes big plays
I meant overall, meaning everything is factored in. Who was better in their prime should be a factor, as well as how long each prime lasted. If Manu's best season was better than JJ's best season, that doesn't mean Manu > JJ.
that's a stupid ing argument. He has done it with Duncan, without Duncan. On the NBA with TD, on the NBA without TD, on FIBA, etc. If you're good, you're good. Having a great teammates helps but it doesn't make you do things you can't.
Surely Tim Duncan drawing the defensive attention he draws has nothing to do with this.
This is an argument about who is the better NBA player. I don't care about Manu's minor league achievements without Duncan.
^^that shows^^ manu>jj
It doesn't? So you're saying Pau Gasol would have been able to win a championship without Kobe?
Manu has also made big plays on the defensive ends
Manu was injured last season.
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