Manu
Dirk
cuatro anillos, puta!
you really are funny... times 4 sore ass... the second best thing for a Spur fan after winning another ring is watching the Mavs lose... i bet you know that already... and in both 06 and 09 we enjoyed the out of the ride believe me...
link to no relevance?The most hilarious thing is when they resort to ring smack when they lose an argument. Doesn't matter what the argument is, they bring it in when it has no relevance.
This thread is about which player would make the Spurs better, Manu or Dirk. It's a pretty easy question, and when some butthurt Manu fans can't accept the obvious answer, they just fall back on ring smack.
link to no relevance?
I'm having a hard time deciding what is stupider:
arguing that manu is even close to dirk as a franchise player, or that Joe Johnson is better than manu because he averages more ppg on a crappy team.
His team just made the 2nd round. It's no longer a crappy team. It's safe to say that if Manu was on that team instead of JJ it wouldn't have made the 2nd round.
Joe Johnson's best season was in 2007: 25 ppg on 47% shooting, including 38% from behind the arc, while also throwing in 4 rebounds, 4 assists and 1 steal per game. This as a #1 option that is the primary focus of opposing defenses.
Manu Ginobili's best season was in 2008: 20 ppg on 46% shooting, including 40% from behind the arc, while also throwing in 5 rebounds, 5 assists and 2 steals per game. This as a #3 option getting good looks playing alongside Tim Duncan and Tony Parker.
You can make an argument that Manu in his prime was better than JJ in his prime, but it's hardly heresy to suggest the opposite.
To be fair a lot of that was when Tim and Tony were both out injured and Manu was the main guy and carrying the loadManu Ginobili's best season was in 2008: 20 ppg on 46% shooting, including 40% from behind the arc, while also throwing in 5 rebounds, 5 assists and 2 steals. This as a #3 option getting good looks playing alongside Tim Duncan and Tony Parker.
fair and balanced, exactly like fox news talk.
Shut up already. You must be smoking on some good to think that DHarris doesn't have more of an upside than a has been like Kidd. But go ahead and keep trying to convince yourself and others here that Kidd for DHarris was such a great deal for the Mavs. Quit being such a ing homer.
Good lawd...we have gone from homer Manu arguments to ring smack. Spur fan is in rare form.....
Dirk.
You're starting to sound like a Laker fan troll... make up your mind who you're rooting for this is a Spurs board not an objectivity point of views forum...
Correct.
Forgive my ignorance...as I said before I underestimated my brethren. I repent and it will not happen again.You're starting to sound like a Laker fan troll... make up your mind who you're rooting for this is a Spurs board not an objectivity point of views forum...
You know you're winning an argument when you get told to "shut up." Excuse me, but are you a moderator? If you are, take away my commenting privileges. If not, then deal with it.
Find the quote where I said a 36 year old Kidd has a better NBA future than a 25 year old Harris.You must be smoking on some good to think that DHarris doesn't have more of an upside than a has been like Kidd.
Find the quote where I said I approved of and backed the trade. Here, let me help you out:But go ahead and keep trying to convince yourself and others here that Kidd for DHarris was such a great deal for the Mavs. Quit being such a ing homer.
Do they teach literacy in San Antonio public schools?
I am a basketball fan first...Spurs fan second. It makes for a more healthy relationship. As I said earlier, you can be a homer if you want...just don't expect to argue with anyone and have them take you seriously and don't get pissed when they laugh at you.
We all root for our teams fiercely and passionately, but most of us don't want to watch basketball with blinders on.
Well said.
link to where I have EVER cried about another poster laughing at me?
Mav fans generally have to throw like: "go back to your third world hole country" when they're unsuccessfully trying to get in my head...
As you live in DFW... you should go get a Terry jersey... he is a a great ball player and you are a basketball fan first...
Manu's character and personality has shouwn that he would be a better fit to be 2nd option. Dirk wouldnt or couldnt allow himself to be a second option. his deamnor is just not that way.....I dont see him playing well with another top flight player. Taken his limelight and amount of hail mary lucky ass shots....
Dirk is unselfish, has no ego, is team-oriented and cares about winning more than anything else. In other words, he's very Spur-like. Just another pro-Manu post in this thread so full of fail. If Kobe and Shaq could co-exist long enough to win 3 les together, I'm pretty sure two guys with the character of Duncan and Dirk could find a way to get along.
DHarris: 08-09
44% FG
6.9 APG
21 PPG
Jason Kidd: 08-09
41% FG
9 APG
9 PPG
"...but hardly a trade that will set the franchise back years or something. I don't think Harris is going to get better than what he is right now."
So do you still think DHarris won't get better? An improving DHarris greater than a declining Kidd. Facts are facts. Reread your own damn quote and open your eyes because the DHarris for Kidd trade will set the Mavs back years. After your aging one trick pony "franchise" player retires, who will be the top dog on the Mavs squad?
What has he ever won?? And ya a no defense playing hack is really Spur-like
I don't see his game expounding by leaps and bounds beyond what it is now. I only see marginal improvement. In any event, even if Devin Harris' game stays where it's at, he will be playing while Kidd is retired. So of course Harris has a brighter future than Kidd, unless the Mavs somehow win a le within the next three years. But that's not the point I was arguing.So do you still think DHarris won't get better?
The Mavs are in win-now mode. I personally didn't want them to do the trade, but there's no way you can convince me Harris makes us a better team last year than Kidd. He doesn't play defense for Lawrence Frank the way he did for Avery Johnson. He doesn't make his teammates better. He's not a quarterback who can facilitate an offense and create for his teammates. He's a VERY GOOD one-on-one player, essentially a homeless man's Allen Iverson, but he's not worth building a team around. The only thing he's doing better in Jersey than Dallas is his slightly greater ability to get to the FT line. Everything else is simply playing more minutes and getting more touches as a co-#1 option. He'd still be the 3rd or 4th option in Dallas.An improving DHarris greater than a declining Kidd.
You're right. He led the Nets to 33 wins and the 10th seed, whereas the Mavs could only manage a first-round series win and be one of 8 teams left standing. The Mavs are reeeeeeeling from that trade.Facts are facts. Reread your own damn quote and open your eyes because the DHarris for Kidd trade will set the Mavs back years.
Dunno. But that's the nice thing about having an owner with deep pockets who wants to win. The Mavs traded away a #3 guy. Whoop-de- ing-do, Cuban will sign another one when he needs to.After your franchise player retires, who will be the top dog on the Mavs squad?
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