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And playing on a great defensive team has nothing to do with this? He'd be able to make the same defensive plays without Bowen and Duncan?
I bet all those numbers are with Manu playing a lot less minutes. Besides if you're going to play the "21 YO Stephon Marbury" card then you also need to say that Manu besides playing less minutes per game and never having the chance to be the man (that means more shots and therefore better offensive stats) he played his first playoffs as a rookie where he averaged I think 7 pts per game (thing that hurt his PO stats) and he was injured the last playoffs he played.
And playing on a great defensive team has nothing to do with this? He'd be able to make the same defensive plays without Bowen and Duncan?
he was so great in the 2005 playoffs, some spurs fans have a selective memory. For them, Manu in the PO= 2005 Manu.
Why don't you read the whole quote?
They're also with Manu being able to play off the best PF of all time. Something you think doesn't matter because he didn't need Duncan to beat minor leaguers.
DUNCAN, you're so consumed by statistics. They mean squat.
Manu is a winner.
Johnson is a loser.
It's not personal. It is what it is.
Fine, I just did.
What has he accomplished in the NBA w/o Duncan?
I'm sure one having Tim Duncan on his team has nothing to do with this.
Looks like I might have started WWIII...lol.
It's certainly close. I would rather have JJ for a whole season but I would rather have Manu for the playoffs. If I am just picking the straight up better player, I will take Manu.
Wow, and the reason we didn't get past the first round last year wasn't because Manu was out. But yes you're right Manu only had one good PO in '05. Pop would agree with you on Manu's value to the team come PO time.
I'm not viewing Manu next to Duncan.
My opinion is based on viewing Manu & Johnson each isolated.
Manu is special. Johnson is garden variety.
I'm pretty sure sonic21 said Manu was better, idk why you're arguing with him.
Calling Manu a winner is viewing him next to Duncan. Without Duncan, or "isolated" as you put it, Manu is just as unaccomplished as Joe Johnson.
We were talking about in-game plays.
of course we can't win anything without Manu, that was not my point.
And where did i say he was only good in 2005?
any of y'all seen my man??
Argentina should be nuked.
What's funny is, some spur fans thought Manu was a top 10 player cuz of 1 playoff run where he got hot, and even then his numbers weren't all that great.
Damn, Mav fans are really dumb
Put Johnson in the Spurs with Tim Duncan and put Manu on the Suns with Steve Nash and D'antoni as his coach and I bet Manu's numbers would improve and Joe's would dicreasse not to mention that Phoenix may have also beaten San Antonio.
I didn't realize Duncan was playing on the Argentine National team when they won the Gold Medal in the 2004 Olympics. Ginobili was the best player on a team that won a freakin gold medal.
To be fair he never had the chance to win in the NBA without Duncan, so you can't blame him for that.
But, you can't [see] that, DUNCAN. If you're going to do "fantasy" put it into the poll first.
So you're claim is that if Manu went from being the 2.5 option (in 2005 Parker and Ginobili shared the sidekick role) to being the 4th option and Joe Johnson went from being the 4th option to being the 2.5 option, JJ's numbers would go down and Manu's numbers would go up?
Manu's best games usually come when either Duncan or Tony are out with injuries.
And Joe Johnson never got the chance to win in the NBA with Duncan, you can't blame him for that.
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