well you kinda said that when you said Manu > Dirk.
D'antoni thinks that Manu is a freaking superstar ('cause unlike you, he has also saw him play outside the NBA and knows that even if it's true that there's a big difference betwen NBA and FIBA the difference isn't as big as most people think) I really doubt he would have slowed Manu's role too much. One thing is for sure, Ginobili would have played a lot more minutes with D'antoni than what he ended up playing with Pop.
Are you seriously blaming Joe Johnson for that cluster of a team?
DoK's entire argument is based on a hypothetical situation.
Lame.
Joe is not nearly as good of a flopper as flopnobli tho!
In 2005, Manu Ginobili.
In 2009, Joe Johnson by a long shot.
But dude, he played with Duncan on that team. How could he not win?
No but I fail to see how the compe ion could be so utterly ty that it would nullify counting accomplishments and yet a team Joe Johnson was on could only get a bronze medal. And that wasn't even the Olympics.
I'm sure that's why he chooses to coach in the NBA.
But yeah, D'antoni sure as knows a good European player when he sees one. Danilo Gallinari was the best draft pick ever.
Show me where I said that all teams with Tim Duncan win.
Biased referees that hate America could have something to do with it.
Manu. He won it all in the NBA, Europe and in the Olympics. In Europe and in the Olympics he had no Duncan and he was the best player on the team. What did Joe Johnson won...Nothing. Sure, Manu played with TD, but didn't JJ play with the best player in the NBA then - Steve Nash. Hmmm.. How didn't he won the championship?
he played in 2006, not in 2004.
He had one season with Nash, and was injured for the Spurs series.
But that doesn't even matter,saying Nash > Duncan
The only NBA US team I remember that won bronze was the 2004 olympic one, the Indianapolis one I think didn't get even that.
That's better than an argument based off non-NBA compe ion.
You're right I was forgetting that one.
The PER numbers I showed are from the NBA.
Who cares if he was injured...Manu was also injured this year.He had one season with Nash, and was injured for the Spurs series.
But that doesn't even matter,
Hey, Steve Nah was the best player in the whole NBA. The guy won the MVP award. So yes, that year he was better than TD.
So would JJ be a champ if he wasn't injured. Or would Manu kick their ass as he did without JJ?
I'm still waiting to know where I said all teams with Tim Duncan win it all.
So in 2001 Allen Iverson was better than Shaq?
1) The poll isnt discussing who has the most accomplishments. Its asking who the better player is and I assume it means "Who is the best RIGHT NOW". Ginobili isnt the player he once was and JJ is entering his prime. There's no GM in the NBA who wouldnt rather have JJ over Ginobili
2) Joe Johnsn and Ginobili have both played second fiddle while only Johnson has played as "The man". So comparing NBA team achievements is comparing apples to oranges.
3) Learn the difference between "win" and "won". I normally dont care about grammar but twice in one paragraph is bizzare. Are you foreign?
Last edited by da_suns_fan; 08-11-2009 at 03:38 PM.
Spurs fans have a VERY HARD time grasping this concept:
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132821
DSF, the poll is meant to factor in everything. It's pretty impossible to say Manu is better than JJ right now.
You can't compare, Manu was injured more than half of the season, he still was more effective than Johnson though.
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