Better player: Joe Johnson or Manu Ginobili

[dirk4mvp]

Make a Kobe vs Manu poll and look who wins. People voted for Manu 'cause they know he's the better player.

Right, because a small scope like the people who visit the nba forum of spurstalk votes for Manu makes this true.

[dirk4mvp]

Dirk isn't Kobe and that poll isn't a straight who's better question.

Because people with common sense know Dirk is far superior to manu.

[ginobili's bald spot]

Make a Kobe vs Manu poll and look who wins. People voted for Manu 'cause they know he's the better player.

Wait hold on... You think manu is better than Kobe? Holy ..... Argentinian spurfans are dumber than I thought.

[Texas_Ranger]

Wait hold on... You think manu is better than Kobe? Holy ..... Argentinian spurfans are dumber than I thought.

Not Kobe. Joe Johnson!

[MateoNeygro]

I'd say Johnson has a better more consistent jumper. Manu is much better all around, better Defense better ability to get into the paint and more mentally tough.

[weebo]

Never said otherwise. I do have a hard time believing a team led by Manu could win 47 games and advance to the 2nd round.

No . Surround Kobe with a bunch of scrubs and even he can't win 47 games (05-07). Moron.

[MateoNeygro]

How many Gold Medals does Joe Johnson have?

nice

[MateoNeygro]

Lol all the Suns and Mavs fans say Johnson. What a bunch of non le winning hater 's.

[DAF86]

Wait hold on... You think manu is better than Kobe? Holy ..... Argentinian spurfans are dumber than I thought.

Read my comment again and the quote I was responding to.

[Leetonidas]

Notice it's not just Spur Fans, there's also a few Laker, Sun, and Piston fans that said Ginobili.

[MateoNeygro]

1) The poll isnt discussing who has the most accomplishments. Its asking who the better player is and I assume it means "Who is the best RIGHT NOW". Ginobili isnt the player he once was and JJ is entering his prime. There's no GM in the NBA who wouldnt rather have JJ over Ginobili

2) Joe Johnsn and Ginobili have both played second fiddle while only Johnson has played as "The man". So comparing NBA team achievements is comparing apples to oranges.

3) Learn the difference between "win" and "won". I normally dont care about grammar but twice in one paragraph is bizzare. Are you foreign?

Stop saying Joe Johnson is THE MAN who gives a ? He plays for the Hawks they make it to the playoffs with a record that would hardly get them to the playoffs if he were in the West. Phoneix fans hate so hard.

[timtonymanurich]

lol 4-0

That enough.

Funny how you never mention TParks straight OWNING Dallas single-handedly during the reg. season when we were without Timmy AND Manu and TParks lit yous up for 40+. Dallas turned into a team full of Dork Nowitski's on D and watched the Tony Parker Show.
Yeah, no need to start acting like a lady.... you and the Mavs will be back on your knees next season in NO time.
ALSO notable, Popovich never once mentioned their revaping their roster because of their trying to get past the likes of Dallas. It's always been to beat the Lakers. True Dallas may have had a something to do with lighting a fire under our ownerships cracks to revamp the roster, but humorous, and flattering that Dallas thinks they're so much as a BLIP on our championship Roster.

I'm curious, does Mark Cuban have some sort of post-season party over at the Mavericks stadium for the seasons the Mavs just simply "GET PAST" the Spurs in the playoffs? Does he give out mock "Spurs series Champs" tee-shirts and lapel pins to the players and coaching staff along with little tin trophies for made-up accomplishments like "New BEST Flopper" for Barea, and "JUST HAPPY TO HAVE MADE IT TO THE PLAYOFFS" plaques to Dallas Hierarchy? ---> I ONLY ask because you Dallas fans act as if to have basically WON the Championship JUST by beating a Spurs team at 60% (lips smacking...smacking...) Oh, does that taste bad? Hard to swallow? Mavs in May--->

Spurs and Fans in Late June----->

[MateoNeygro]

He's frail, deal with it.

and dirk is a vadge...childish but just thought u should know.

[dirk4mvp]

lol quoting the wrong comment.

[dirk4mvp]

and dirk is a vadge...childish but just thought u should know.

good post.

[weebo]

Funny how you never mention TParks straight OWNING Dallas single-handedly during the reg. season when we were without Timmy AND Manu and TParks lit yous up for 40+. Dallas turned into a team full of Dork Nowitski's on D and watched the Tony Parker Show.
Yeah, no need to start acting like a lady.... you and the Mavs will be back on your knees next season in NO time.
ALSO notable, Popovich never once mentioned their revaping their roster because of their trying to get past the likes of Dallas. It's always been to beat the Lakers. True Dallas may have had a something to do with lighting a fire under our ownerships cracks to revamp the roster, but humorous, and flattering that Dallas thinks they're so much as a BLIP on our championship Roster.

I'm curious, does Mark Cuban have some sort of post-season party over at the Mavericks stadium for the seasons the Mavs just simply "GET PAST" the Spurs in the playoffs? Does he give out mock "Spurs series Champs" tee-shirts and lapel pins to the players and coaching staff along with little tin trophies for made-up accomplishments like "New BEST Flopper" for Barea, and "JUST HAPPY TO HAVE MADE IT TO THE PLAYOFFS" plaques to Dallas Hierarchy? ---> I ONLY ask because you Dallas fans act as if to have basically WON the Championship JUST by beating a Spurs team at 60% (lips smacking...smacking...) Oh, does that taste bad? Hard to swallow? Mavs in May--->

Spurs and Fans in Late June----->

You haven't been here long have you?

[MateoNeygro]

Oh and by the way, the games were just as I thought they were. The only close thing to a "8 pts 15 shots" performance was that 3 for 13 in game 1. The only time he took 15 shots he made 30 points.

Got em!

[MateoNeygro]

good post.

hahaha sorry. I just don't like when people call Manu frail Lol. My bad man.

[MateoNeygro]

I've seen manu fall down screaming many times when not even touched. I think that is just how he learned to play basketball!

Hhahaha Jazz fans don't matter don't u know that???

[MateoNeygro]

In 2003 Manu was 25 years old and JJ was 21 years old. Don't pull the inexperience card there.

And in 2005 JJ played the entire series with one eye and a mask he wasn't used to using.

Hey DOk if u start a poll isn't it purely an opinion thing? I mean people who say Manu u just on them. It seems really personal to u.

[Pistons < Spurs]

Not a bad poll. They're pretty close IMO. Considering it's on a Spurs board, I had no doubt that Manu would win. But I do think it's telling that of JJ's 28 votes, 11 of them are from non-Spurs fans. Whereas of Manu's 52 votes, only 4 come from outside the fanbase.

Manu is s bit better defensively, and shoots at a better percentage, but also gets a higher percentage of his points from the line. I think JJ is the better playmaker overall, for himself and his teamates.

I've got them pretty even, but eventually Manu's inability to complete a season healthy forced me to go with JJ. In 7 seasons, Manu has never been able to play a full 82 games. Whereas JJ has played a full compliment of games 5 of his 8 years in the L. And plays nearly 10 more minutes per.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Hey DOk if u start a poll isn't it purely an opinion thing? I mean people who say Manu u just on them. It seems really personal to u.

That's naturally how arguments work, when someone elses argument disagrees with yours, you try to dispute it.

[DAF86]

Not a bad poll. They're pretty close IMO. Considering it's on a Spurs board, I had no doubt that Manu would win. But I do think it's telling that of JJ's 28 votes, 11 of them are from non-Spurs fans. Whereas of Manu's 52 votes, only 4 come from outside the fanbase.

Manu is s bit better defensively, and shoots at a better percentage, but also gets a higher percentage of his points from the line. I think JJ is the better playmaker overall, for himself and his teamates.

I've got them pretty even, but eventually Manu's inability to complete a season healthy forced me to go with JJ. In 7 seasons, Manu has never been able to play a full 82 games. Whereas JJ has played a full compliment of games 5 of his 8 years in the L. And plays nearly 10 more minutes per.

That's 'cause Pop sits his players even when they aren't injured. The only serious injury Manu has had on his career was this last ankle one and he's 32 years old.

And about the fans vote: take a closer look, a lot more people than just 4 non-spurs fans voted for Manu.

[Pistons < Spurs]

And about the fans vote: take a closer look, a lot more people than just 4 non-spurs fans voted for Manu.

I realize I only counted the posters whose screen names are 'colored' to their teams ... I'm sure there's some I missed on both sides. But the overall point is still valid. A far great % of those who I'd label as less biased, voted for JJ.

[Pistons < Spurs]

That's 'cause Pop sits his players even when they aren't injured. The only serious injury Manu has had on his career was this last ankle one and he's 32 years old.

I didn't nail him down as being injury prone or anything like that, but I'd have a ton more confidence in JJ being able to play every night than I would with Manu.

And I didn't even factor in the age. Completely slipped my mind. Nor did I look at their size. 2 more reasons for me to lean towards JJ.

That's my 2 cents anyway.