Sometimes, it sucks to be a gamer.

[Spurtacus]

A dead 360 is about as much fun as a working ps3.

I guess has frozen over.

I've played a whopping 2 games on my PS3. I use it primarily for Blu-ray.

PS3 is a better system in terms of hardware. There are only a handful of exclusives worth playing. Plus, I'll take achievements over trophies.

[eyeh8u]

its amazing how all you just guess things about both systems without having any basis for it.

o yea the next gen xbox is coming next year, o yeah the ps3 has much better hardware. Wow you read a kotaku article. None of you know .

[Cry Havoc]

o yeah the ps3 has much better hardware.

A ~5% failure rate vs. a 66%-80% failure rate means that the Ps3 DOES have better hardware.

The 360 obviously is still ahead on games, but the Ps3 has a slew of quality les out for it now.

Here's a good post on joystiq about it:

Sweatshopsammy @ Aug 17th 2009 8:09PM

I'll be the first one to say it:

what the is wrong with you people? why are you taking this abuse of such ty hardware? now its not to attack this comment specifically but if one was to read further into this comment thread the comments are ing ridiculous. why are you proud you're on you're 3rd or 4th xbox 360? why arent you up in arms demanding a better product?

now i'm not saying everyone should dump their xboxs in favour of wii's or ps3's but for gods sake get angry! make microsoft know you won't take this bull . you're just giving them the excuse to release ty pieces of equipment knowing full well every person with $200 - $300 bucks to spend will just scoop it up just becuase it plays "teh haloz"

xbox 360 has been out for how many years? not to mention the the speed of which modern technology develops, this shouldve been taken care of a year after the problems started but 54%? all that time and its still 54%?

why isn't there more outcry from the consumer?

all i hear is "lulz im on my 3rd 360" "im going to buy a 2nd one next month" are you serious? you bought a whole new 360, no discount or reparation from a company that knew it sold you a product with a 50% failure rate, is doing little to rectify the situation and you still handed a wad of ing cash to them?

I will never understand the mindset of the modern consumer
ing ridiculous

[eyeh8u]

A ~5% failure rate vs. a 66%-80% failure rate means that the Ps3 DOES have better hardware.

The 360 obviously is still ahead on games, but the Ps3 has a slew of quality les out for it now.

Here's a good post on joystiq about it:

Sweatshopsammy @ Aug 17th 2009 8:09PM

I'll be the first one to say it:

what the is wrong with you people? why are you taking this abuse of such ty hardware? now its not to attack this comment specifically but if one was to read further into this comment thread the comments are ing ridiculous. why are you proud you're on you're 3rd or 4th xbox 360? why arent you up in arms demanding a better product?

now i'm not saying everyone should dump their xboxs in favour of wii's or ps3's but for gods sake get angry! make microsoft know you won't take this bull . you're just giving them the excuse to release ty pieces of equipment knowing full well every person with $200 - $300 bucks to spend will just scoop it up just becuase it plays "teh haloz"

xbox 360 has been out for how many years? not to mention the the speed of which modern technology develops, this shouldve been taken care of a year after the problems started but 54%? all that time and its still 54%?

why isn't there more outcry from the consumer?

all i hear is "lulz im on my 3rd 360" "im going to buy a 2nd one next month" are you serious? you bought a whole new 360, no discount or reparation from a company that knew it sold you a product with a 50% failure rate, is doing little to rectify the situation and you still handed a wad of ing cash to them?

I will never understand the mindset of the modern consumer
ing ridiculous

Reliability and performance are two different things

Read that
http://www.engadget.com/tag/The+Race...+Game+Machine/

the read the whole book
http://www.amazon.com/Race-New-Game-.../dp/0806531010

you'll see how Microsoft's hardware is based (ripped off) on a simplified version on the PS3 hardware.


there is much more to what is going on in the gaming world than what the guy at gamestop tells you people.

Without realizing all outside factors, and prediction made on the "console wars" is mute.

And Havoc, you might not think you are being a fanboy but you are, in a passive aggressive way. My previous comment had nothing to do with the consoles but with the magnitude of ignorance going on in this there and all around, but you took it as a slight toward your ps3.

The answers are in your questions, only with more questions can the answers be found.

[Cry Havoc]

Reliability and performance are two different things

Read that
http://www.engadget.com/tag/The+Race...+Game+Machine/

the read the whole book
http://www.amazon.com/Race-New-Game-.../dp/0806531010

you'll see how Microsoft's hardware is based (ripped off) on a simplified version on the PS3 hardware.


there is much more to what is going on in the gaming world than what the guy at gamestop tells you people.

Without realizing all outside factors, and prediction made on the "console wars" is mute.

And Havoc, you might not think you are being a fanboy but you are, in a passive aggressive way. My previous comment had nothing to do with the consoles but with the magnitude of ignorance going on in this there and all around, but you took it as a slight toward your ps3.

The answers are in your questions, only with more questions can the answers be found.

I didn't really aim my comment at you, even though I quoted you, sorry for that.

I suppose I'm a fanboy. I'm a fanboy of hardware that actually WORKS. If that gets me labeled a fanboy, so be it. I think the 360 is a great system that has matured fantastically in every way possible -- online, better features on the system itself, etc. -- except for the damn hardware defects. It is just infuriating to me that 360 gamers continue to take it on the chin and even defend the 360 against it's single (albeit massive) flaw.

If the 360 didn't have such a preponderance to fail, I would own one. You can spin that an call me a fanboy any way you want, but where is your response when the 360 people on this site say, "lol Ps3"?

[DisAsTerBot]

You can spin that an call me a fanboy any way you want, but where is your response when the 360 people on this site say, "lol Ps3"?

i havent been in this thread in a while, but on the 2nd page you got called a fanboy. Same on the 4th. No spin, you're a fanboy. Just like the guys that say "lol ps3"

[balli]

It is just infuriating to me that 360 gamers continue to take it on the chin and even defend the 360 against it's single (albeit massive) flaw.

Well WTF are we supposed to do? Storm the MS campus with pitchforks? I mean , nobody defends that , nobody, but at the end of the day it's not that big of an inconvenience to buy the insurance or lose your system for about 14 days every two years. I don't defend the red ring, but I damn sure look at it in context.

If the PS3 wanted me (and they had a damn good chance) they should have done something to make their system more valuable than the one that breaks all the time. But between the abscess of developer support, the formerly expensive price and the ty online componentry/smaller community, I feel perfectly valid in my choice of the 360.

The red ring is a massive technical flaw, but in a lot of ways it's a flaw that's far less destructive to my gaming experience than I believe the PS3's non-hardware related problems would be. And that's fine.

FWIW, it's pretty damn fanboy to start a thread with a pic of a broken 360. Just sayin' for someone who doesn't own one, that's not really a congenial move.

[Cry Havoc]

i havent been in this thread in a while, but on the 2nd page you got called a fanboy. Same on the 4th. No spin, you're a fanboy. Just like the guys that say "lol ps3"

I don't understand how the perceptions of other people makes me a fanboy. Either I am or I'm not. If five Lakers fans calls me a Spurs homer, does that mean it's true? I'd say it's a highly subjective audience, and therefore they aren't exactly fit to say that.

Well WTF are we supposed to do? Storm the MS campus with pitchforks? I mean , nobody defends that , nobody, but at the end of the day it's not that big of an inconvenience to buy the insurance or lose your system for about 14 days every two years. I don't defend the red ring, but I damn sure look at it in context.

There is such a thing as a class action lawsuit. So far, there have been lawsuits, but none aimed directly at the RRoD proper (at least, none that have been massive successes).

Gamers should demand better, instead of subscribing to cognitive dissonance and using their insecurity about the hardware failure as a reason to criticize the Ps3.

If the PS3 wanted me (and they had a damn good chance) they should have done something to make their system more valuable than the one that breaks all the time. But between the abscess of developer support, the formerly expensive price and the ty online componentry/smaller community, I feel perfectly valid in my choice of the 360.

I feel the same way about the 360. In fact, when I traded my Wii off (after realizing Nintendo wasn't going to do anything about the 3rd party games being a load of poo) I had a choice between a 360 and a Ps3. I felt pretty torn about it, and several times since I have been pretty close to buying a 360 -- but I just can't justify it based on the reports I've heard from friends. I have one person I know who's nearing double digits in RRoD's. Even with the free returns, that's at least 14 weeks (3.5 months!) without a working 360. And that just sucks.

As far as the price, for a (launch) system featuring a big hard drive, blu-ray, wifi, and backwards compatibility, it was a pretty amazing list of features, especially considering the price of other blu-ray players at the time. A similarly speced 360 back in the day actually cost more than the Ps3.

The online thing is a completely valid point, but I do most of my multiplayer gaming on PC, which I feel is still far better than either console (and free). I can see where you're coming from there, though.

The red ring is a massive technical flaw, but in a lot of ways it's a flaw that's far less destructive to my gaming experience than I believe the PS3's non-hardware related problems would be. And that's fine.

We just disagree here. I don't think that makes either of us fanboys. There is a difference between supporting a system and being completely blind to the alternatives.

FWIW, it's pretty damn fanboy to start a thread with a pic of a broken 360. Just sayin' for someone who doesn't own one, that's not really a congenial move.

Oh lighten up. It was a joke. If someone had posted the exact same pic with a Ps3 instead of a 360, I would have been humored by it (that is, until all the 360 fanboys starting coming in and leaving steaming piles of feces that they call posts about how horrible the Ps3 is). I didn't know The Geek Zone had to be all SRS 100% of the time.

I have the Xbox, it does what I need but I wish I had enough money for both....but damn that IS a funny picture

This guy got the joke instead of turning the thread into a flamewar.

[PM5K]

I have to agree with the idea that I'd rather have a console that might not work 100% of the time but still gives me a great gaming experience the rest of the time. Certainly a lot of people agree with that notion as the survey indicates. It's not that often that you see people saying they are going to get a PS3 because their 360 failed, they'll even resort to wrapping their console in towels or wait two weeks rather than get a PS3.

[koriwhat]

the ps3! i gots the commodore! nah i really have a 360.

i wish i never sold my 3DO on ebay many many yrs ago.

[Cry Havoc]

It's not that often that you see people saying they are going to get a PS3 because their 360 failed, they'll even resort to wrapping their console in towels or wait two weeks rather than get a PS3.

If they had to s out $300 every time their 360 failed, do you think that more people would be buying Ps3s today? I'm pretty sure they would. 360 users get another 360 because it's free and relatively convenient as opposed to buying a new console and all new games.

[z0sa]

If they had to s out $300 every time their 360 failed, do you think that more people would be buying Ps3s today? I'm pretty sure they would. 360 users get another 360 because it's free and relatively convenient as opposed to buying a new console and all new games.

You know, I honestly don't see why the you're whining about this. I have had FOUR xbox 360s, including an e74 error the second time I used my very first one. I absolutely, positively know what this bull is about, and guess what? You don't, and probably never will. So STFU, enjoy your PS3/PC, and let 360 owners be.

[PM5K]

If they had to s out $300 every time their 360 failed, do you think that more people would be buying Ps3s today? I'm pretty sure they would. 360 users get another 360 because it's free and relatively convenient as opposed to buying a new console and all new games.

I've heard of a lot of people that sell their RROD 360's to Gamestop for 60-80 bucks so that they can use the money to buy a newer Jasper 360.

That really says a lot I think.

[Cry Havoc]

So STFU, enjoy your PS3/PC, and let 360 owners be.

Wow, do you really have to pick a fight with me everywhere you go? And you accuse me of being butthurt.

FWIW, Ps3 owners aren't the ones coming into dedicated Ps3 threads and making idiotic derogatory remarks.

[PM5K]

FWIW, Ps3 owners aren't the ones coming into dedicated Ps3 threads and making idiotic derogatory remarks.

Yeah they just start threads dedicated to making fun of other consoles.

[z0sa]

Wow, do you really have to pick a fight with me everywhere you go? And you accuse me of being butthurt.

Then stop ing whining about a system that you've never owned to people who have had it up on them numerous times. You come across like a giant bag whether you mean to or not.

FWIW, Ps3 owners aren't the ones coming into dedicated Ps3 threads and making idiotic derogatory remarks.

We're not starting threads about ps3, either.

[eyeh8u]

I have to agree with the idea that I'd rather have a console that might not work 100% of the time but still gives me a great gaming experience the rest of the time. Certainly a lot of people agree with that notion as the survey indicates. It's not that often that you see people saying they are going to get a PS3 because their 360 failed, they'll even resort to wrapping their console in towels or wait two weeks rather than get a PS3.

That is border line lab rat stupid, masochistic really.

What all of you dont get is what is making the xbox outsell the ps3 is PRICE.
Price is what made nintendo the leader
The 600 dollar price tag is what killed the ps3 launch
price is the driving force of all this .

when other systems were 400 and 600 bucks at launch nintendo was 250, and bam they took the lead

guess what happened when the ps3 got a few good games dropped 100 last 07 and early 08 .... the PS3 started beating the xbox

guess what what happened when the xbox introduced the 199 arcade model during the holiday season....it beat the ps3

When a mom is going to a store to buy her little a present she doesnt care about rrod, ylod, 720v1080, cell processor, wi fi, exclusives, live, hard drive space, blah blah blah. She just does basic math 200 is half of 400, and so she buy the xbox. The mom does know live has a membership fee, no wifi, the mom doesn't know what BC is, or that the ps3 doesnt come with a HDMI cable.

Since the introduction of the 199.99 xbox over half of all xbox sales are of that SKU (and if you dont know what SKU is just GTFO)

You people argue about the insignificant factors and nonsense, the so called "gaming experience" is a placebo implanted in your head, the days you decided to choose a side in the fanboy wars.

There is so much obvious that is right in front of your faces that none of you realize. Arguing points like the ps3 has no games is in fact wrong, no matter how loud you say it you aren't right. and when regarding the quality of games you cant be right about things that are subjective in nature

I suggest before you make proclamations about anything you do get some facts to back you up, not the talk and posturing

I bet half of you bought "Monster Cables" while at best buy, buying your consoles.

[balli]

Arguing points like the ps3 has no games is in fact wrong, no matter how loud you say it you aren't right. and when regarding the quality of games you cant be right about things that are subjective in nature.

What the ever. [turns Shadow Complex back on]

[Dinamita]

IDK if you guys know this but ps3 is having a price cut this month $299. And they're releasing a ps3 slim. Rumored to be out Sept. 1.

Called it.

[eyeh8u]

What the ever. [turns Shadow Complex back on]

isn't that releasing tomorrow?

[PM5K]

I'll have to disagree, many 360 gamers are teens and young adults, and even the kids that push their parents to buy consoles for them know a lot more than you think, ask my 11 year old.....

If the PS3 had what it has, and Halo 3 and Gears 2 the 360 wouldn't exist right now, it's all about the games.

[Cry Havoc]

Then stop ing whining about a system that you've never owned to people who have had it up on them numerous times. You come across like a giant bag whether you mean to or not.

We're not starting threads about ps3, either.

Ah, and there we have it. Someone on an internet forum is ordering ME not to do something. Okay, Mr. Internet Tough Guy, I sure wouldn't want to piss you off any so I'll just be all meek now and do as you command.

Dude, I'm done responding to you. Your posts are some of the most self-righteous bull tery on Spurstalk, and a lot of people have caught onto it. When is the last time you actually made a post that wasn't ing or calling someone else out for something? Some people in this forum like to actually have advice dispensed, not an unassailable opinion rained down from on-high like it's written on a stone tablet. You might be a cool dude in real life, but damn, if you don't act like your opinion is the only one that matters on Spurstalk.

You're just a little too SRS for your own good. But thanks for furthering the thread and not getting the joke.

[z0sa]

Dude, I'm done responding to you. Your posts are some of the most self-righteous bull tery on Spurstalk, and a lot of people have caught onto it. I'll probably just put you on ignore.

Self-righteous bull tery? That's constantly dogging the xbox 360 because one owns a PS3.

[z0sa]

You're just a little too SRS for your own good. But thanks for furthering the thread and not getting the joke.

Read the first page. I got the joke, and called it old.

Ah, and there we have it. Someone on an internet forum is ordering ME not to do something. Okay, Mr. Internet Tough Guy, I sure wouldn't want to piss you off any so I'll just be all meek now and do as you command.

You don't have to take my advice. Continue being a dip .

[Cry Havoc]

Self-righteous bull tery? That's constantly dogging the xbox 360 because one owns a PS3.

How often do I talk trash about the 360? I have repeatedly, thoroughly, in NO small detail outlined why I feel the 360 is a fantastic system that I (myself) have one particular reservation that keeps me from owning it.

So find it. Find where I call it a ty system that anyone is stupid to buy. , find me a single post that says it's even modestly inferior to the Ps3. I'll be waiting.

And until then, I'm definitely done responding to your inane posts.