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    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/op...-53628177.html


    After my column, "For the left, war without Bush is not war at all," appeared Tuesday, I got a note from Cindy Sheehan, the anti-war activist who was the subject of so much press coverage when she led a protest against the Iraq war outside then-President George W. Bush's ranch in Texas. This is what the note said:




    I read your column about the "anti-war" movement and I can't believe I am saying this, but I mostly agree with you.


    The "anti-war" "left" was used by the Democratic Party. I like to call it the "anti-Republican War" movement.


    While I agree with you about the hypocrisy of such sites as the DailyKos, I have known for a long time that the Democrats are equally responsible with the Republicans. That's why I left the party in May 2007 and that's why I ran for Congress against Nancy Pelosi in 2008.


    I have my own radio show, "Cindy Sheehan's Soapbox," and I was out on a four-month book tour promoting the fact that it's not about Democrats or Republicans, but it's about the system.


    Even if I am surrounded by a thousand, or no one, I am still working for peace.


    Sincerely,


    Cindy Sheehan
    After receiving the email, I asked Sheehan to give me a call, so I could verify that the note in fact came from her. She did, and we discussed her plans to protest next week in Martha's Vineyard, where President Obama will be vacationing. "I think people are starting to wake up to the fact that even if they supported Obama, he doesn't represent much change," Sheehan said. "There are people still out here who oppose the war and Obama's policies, but it seems like the big organizations with the big lists aren't here."


    I asked Sheehan about the fact that the press seems to have lost interest in her and her cause. "It's strange to me that you mention it," she said. "I haven't stopped working. I've been protesting every time I can, and it's not covered. But the one time I did get a lot of coverage was when I protested in front of George Bush's house in Dallas in June. I don't know what to make of it. Is the press having a honeymoon with Obama? I know the Left is."


    After the protests in Massachusetts -- Sheehan told me she has no idea how many people might show up -- Sheehan will be in Washington October 5, for a protest at the White House to mark the eight anniversary of the start of the war in Afghanistan. Not only is the president escalating the war there, she said, but he's not withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq as quickly as he originally promised. "That's why I was opposed to him," she said.


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    Cogito Ergo Sum LnGrrrR's Avatar
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    This isn't an easy issue. There's many Democrats who supported war in Afghanistan, but not war in Iraq. Then there's Democrats who supported the war in Iraq, but not the implementation. Then there's Democrats who just hated Bush and everything he did. Then there's Democrats who don't agree with war in Iraq OR Afghanistan.

    It's not just one group.

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    yes, afghanistan was already a s hole and dubya turned iraq into one.

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    Iraq is nothing like Afghan.

    Iraq actually has a future.

    Afghan is nothing but a rocky hole. It will always be a rocky hole. Americans are putting their lives on the line for a rocky hole. Angels can go into and kill demons, but demons will always be in .

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    Iraq is nothing like Afghan.

    Iraq actually has a future.

    Afghan is nothing but a rocky hole. It will always be a rocky hole. Americans are putting their lives on the line for a rocky hole. Angels can go into and kill demons, but demons will always be in .
    the absence of a western style government there should not be misconstrued as an absence of governance. the pashtun tribes along the border have a long history of well developed religious, social, and tribal structures, and they have developed their own government and methods of resolving disputes. today’s instability in aghanistan is not the continuation of some ancient condition. it is the direct result of decades of intentional dismantling of those traditional structures, leaving extremist groups to fill the vacuum. reempowering local leaders can help return the border region to an acceptable level of stability.

    more importantly, afghanistan is home to the headquarters of al qaeda as well as much of the taliban insurgency. and afghans want the taliban removed. they are not tired of the western presence; they are frustrated with western incompetence.

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    I recently read another article about this subject. It basically said that most liberals hated the war because they hated Bush. Once Bush was gone, they could care less.

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    Goat Herders.
    Opium Growers.
    Terrorists.
    Rocks.

    That is what American soldiers are dieing for.

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    i hunt fenced animals clambake's Avatar
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    how long have you had this opinion?

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    it will not be the death or capture of every last enemy fighter that wins this war, but creating a position of strength from which to negotiate a lasting political solution to a cycle of conflict that has persisted in afghanistan for decades.

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    "negotiate a lasting political solution"



    negotiate with Taliban?

    negotiate with totally corrupt official governments?

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    "negotiate a lasting political solution"



    negotiate with Taliban?

    negotiate with totally corrupt official governments?
    where in my post did you see the phrase "negotiate with the taliban"-are you confusing pashtun tribes with the taliban?

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    I recently read another article about this subject. It basically said that most liberals hated the war because they hated Bush. Once Bush was gone, they could care less.
    I read the same article.

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    Democrats have never been anti war. They're anti-republican.

    Nice to know that Sheehan is actually sincere.

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    It's almost as if they are ANTI-EVERYTHING.

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    Its not the politicians I care about. They're just doing what politicians do.

    Its the hypocrites on the left (and the right) who stop caring once their party wins that bother me.

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    Its not the politicians I care about. They're just doing what politicians do.

    Its the hypocrites on the left (and the right) who stop caring once their party wins that bother me.
    I support necessary wars. It's the wars of choice that I have a problem with.

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    Most people wanted a withdrawal from Iraq. We're getting that.

    What's left to protest?

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    This isn't an easy issue. There's many Democrats who supported war in Afghanistan, but not war in Iraq.
    Bingo! Sad that conservatives can't understand it. Besides we're they the ones crying when Obama pull troops out of some Iraq cities. Fact is Obama is trying to get us out of Iraq because it was a mistake but Afghanistan is an actual problem (not self made like Iraq).

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    ...Democrats who just hated Bush and everything he did...
    Actually, there's the bingo.

    Nice of someone to finally notice it was never about the war.

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    Actually, there's the bingo.

    Nice of someone to finally notice it was never about the war.
    Seriously Yoni it's about the war.

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    Seriously Yoni it's about the war.
    So, where have all the protesters gone? Obama is continuing the previous administration's policy in Iraq and Afghanistan -- with the same SecDef, I hasten to add. So, where are they?

    Why isn't the media covering Sheehan at Martha's Vineyard like they did at Crawford? What about her "absolute moral authority?"

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    So, where have all the protesters gone? Obama is continuing the previous administration's policy in Iraq and Afghanistan -- with the same SecDef, I hasten to add. So, where are they?

    Why isn't the media covering Sheehan at Martha's Vineyard like they did at Crawford? What about her "absolute moral authority?"
    We own Iraq yoni. Are you going to acknowledge that? Not many folks, myself included, never had an issue with going after the guy who was primarily responsible for 9/11.

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    We own Iraq yoni. Are you going to acknowledge that? Not many folks, myself included, never had an issue with going after the guy who was primarily responsible for 9/11.
    So, what has happened to the protests?

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    So, what has happened to the protests?
    Haven't you heard? We've been withdrawing from Iraq for a while. Are you against bringing our troops home? What is there to protest?

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