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    Players who kill themselves to win championships don't let the opposing guard drop 30 points in a must win game 6.
    You're giving Nash bc Tony Parker went for 30 on him???? Nash CAN'T guard TP. It's not a matter of WON'T. I've watched him in Dallas and in Phoenix and I'll never question his effort or desire.

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    He quit against Dallas in '06 or '07...I get those years confused.

    Letting Jason Kidd drop 20 assists in a must win game to make the playoffs could be the dictionary definition of quitting.

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    I've watched him in Dallas and in Phoenix and I'll never question his effort or desire.

    You musta missed the last game Dallas and Phoenix played each other.

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    It's easy for Mavs and Spurs fans to tell me how much of a fierce compe or Nash is when that "fierce compe ion" they're referring to enabled their team to get to the finals.
    The Mavs and Spurs were constructed better than the Suns were. You can't get to the Finals when you give up 50%+ shooting routinely. Nash deserves some blame for the lack of overall team D, but so does Amare, D'Antoni, etc.

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    You musta missed the last game Dallas and Phoenix played each other.
    No, I watched it.

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    He quit against Dallas in '06 or '07...I get those years confused.
    No, he didn't. He was gassed at the end of G6 but he was still trying. They were basically a 6-man rotation at that point.

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    No, I watched it.

    He sure played with a lot of heart when Jason Kidd was posting him up.

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    The Mavs and Spurs were constructed better than the Suns were. You can't get to the Finals when you give up 50%+ shooting routinely. Nash deserves some blame for the lack of overall team D, but so does Amare, D'Antoni, etc.

    It's just coincidence the Mavs all the sudden got the structure and defense a team needs once Nash left?

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    This thread sure covers a lot of topics

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    And Findog, I blame Amare and D'antoni plenty. It's not like I'm a huge Amare fan, I just think Nash needs to go a lot more than Amare.

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    No, he didn't. He was gassed at the end of G6 but he was still trying. They were basically a 6-man rotation at that point.
    You say "gassed"...I say quit. He did the same damn thing with Dallas earlier in the decade.

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    He sure played with a lot of heart when Jason Kidd was posting him up.
    Getting posted up by Kidd is not a matchup he can win.

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    You say "gassed"...I say quit. He did the same damn thing with Dallas earlier in the decade.
    When? I don't ing think so:

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/...305270SAS.html

    They were facing elimination on the road without Dirk and they rallied from 19 down. Anybody watching G6 of PHX-DAL in 2006 could see how exhausted he was in the 4th Quarter.

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    Getting posted up by Kidd is not a matchup he can win.
    It's not a matchup he should get dominated by as much as he did. Jason Kidd was backing down to the basket with way too much ease. Steve Blake is just as under sized as Nash, why is it Kidd has never dropped 19 points and 20 assists on him?

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    Cubby, I agree with Findog about 2006, Nash simply ran out of gas. He'd carried the team all year with no help.

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    It's just coincidence the Mavs all the sudden got the structure and defense a team needs once Nash left?
    Nash's departure alone didn't solve anything, it created problems. We were lucky we had Antoine Walker's expiring contract to land Jason Terry. And as maligned as Dampier is, he gave us size and D in the middle.

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    Nash's departure alone didn't solve anything, it created problems. We were lucky we had Antoine Walker's expiring contract to land Jason Terry. And as maligned as Dampier is, he gave us size and D in the middle.

    Would Dallas have been able to become the good defensive team they were in 2006 if Nash was the starting PG?

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    Steve Blake is just as under sized as Nash, why is it Kidd has never dropped 19 points and 20 assists on him?
    I don't know. Never watched many Nets-Blazers games. Depending on the matchups and personnel on the floor, there may be other things Kidd's teams want to do. Too many variables to answer that question.

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    Would Dallas have been able to become the good defensive team they were in 2006 if Nash was the starting PG?
    Jason Terry is just as bad at D as Nash, so assuming we could swap out Terry for Nash and still have Dampier, I think we win the le that year.

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    His departure didn't solve anything, you're right, but it opened up the possibility of taking the next step they needed to take.

    Phoenix wouldn't be a better team if he died tomorrow, but they'd no longer have that hump they'll never get over with Nash.

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    Jason Terry is just as bad at D as Nash

    No.

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    Jason Terry is just as bad at D as Nash, so assuming we could swap out Terry for Nash and still have Dampier, I think we win the le that year.

    I think Tony Parker takes a piping hot on Dallas.

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    His departure didn't solve anything, you're right, but it opened up the possibility of taking the next step they needed to take.
    FWIW, they didn't plan on losing Nash. They wanted to bring him back but never expected PHX to come up with the offer they did. They were lucky that the contigency moves on the fly worked out the way they did.

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    I don't know. Never watched many Nets-Blazers games. Depending on the matchups and personnel on the floor, there may be other things Kidd's teams want to do. Too many variables to answer that question.

    You'd think if Kidd was that effective posting up every single PG as undersized or more undersized than Nash, his team would go to that whenever possible.

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    I think Tony Parker takes a piping hot on Dallas.
    If you watched the first-round series this year between our two teams, he did exactly that. We couldn't stop him. Fortunately they had nobody else besides Duncan who could hurt us.

    Ah, you're talking about Nash vs. Parker. I stand by what I said. They couldn't beat us this year with Parker playing out of his mind. He couldn't have done any better against Nash.

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