Stealquille O'Neal

[DPG21920]

Yes, I do. I think the logic that you're allowed to be a lazy crappy defender as long as you keep your mouth shut and admit your a lazy crappy defender is re ed.

Comprehension Fail. The point is, he never can be a great defender or even a good one. Could he put in more effort on that end? Yes. But Amare has the God given tools to be an elite defender and he fails. That is what is inexcusable.

And LMAO at you sons playing the race card

No, I wouldn't be. By your logic, if Nash tries his absolute hardest defensively and only gets burned by extremely athletic point guards, why is he getting burnt by unathletic PG's like Kidd and Blake?

Because of talent. Just because you try hard does not make you good at something. Kidd is a great point guard. Blake is not, but it happens. Plenty of good defenders get roasted and toasted on occasion. Stupid argument. It is basketball and even Lebron can get dunked on by a scrub.

[DPG21920]

Which one happens a lot more, Kobe Bryant 30+ point nights, or Steve Blake 20 10 nights?

Who is considered a good defender, Bowen or Nash?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

FWIW, they didn't plan on losing Nash. They wanted to bring him back but never expected PHX to come up with the offer they did. They were lucky that the contigency moves on the fly worked out the way they did.

IMO that's got nothing to do with the fact Nash took the struggles against the Spurs with him to Phoenix, when before Nash the Suns were a crappy team that gave SA a lot more trouble than they should have.

[Findog]

You'd think if Kidd was that effective posting up every single PG as undersized or more undersized than Nash, his team would go to that whenever possible.

Maybe Dirk is being "guarded" by LaMarcus Aldridge and they'd rather go to that.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Could he put in more effort on that end? Yes.

So why is it OK that he doesn't?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Maybe Dirk is being "guarded" by LaMarcus Aldridge and they'd rather go to that.

We're kinda going off on a tangent here, but during that game Dirk was being guarded by Matt Barnes, it's not like that's a bad matchup for Dirk.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

And LMAO at you sons playing the race card

Don't tell me Nash being white has nothing to do with why you assume he's incapable of being a good defender.

[DPG21920]

So why is it OK that he doesn't?

It is not ok if you want every player to be everything. There are 99% of the league that don't always put in 100% on both ends. But they also do not bring what Nash does on the offensive end.

It would be a net loss overall if Nash took away from his offense (which is amazing) and put more energy and effort into defense (which would tire him out) when he can't be good at it anyways.

If he had the ability to be a good defender, I could see the argument, because overall it would help. Amare has that and his effort and talents would be a net gain on that end.

[DPG21920]

Don't tell me Nash being white has nothing to do with why you assume he's incapable of being a good defender.

It doesn't.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

It doesn't.

Then why do you assume Nash is incapable of being a good defender?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

But Amare has the God given tools to be an elite defender and he fails.

I disagree. Your mental gifts are just as much "god given" as your physical gifts. Fact is, Amare was blessed with an extremely low basketball IQ. That's never going to change, it's not like there's a brain exercise he can do to become Tim Duncan.

Also, yeah, he's athletic. He's also extremely frail. He doesn't have the lower body strength to keep players away from the basket or fight for position.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

It would be a net loss overall if Nash took away from his offense (which is amazing) and put more energy and effort into defense (which would tire him out) when he can't be good at it anyways.

If he had the ability to be a good defender, I could see the argument, because overall it would help. Amare has that and his effort and talents would be a net gain on that end.

So somehow Amare has the ability to try hard on defense while still maintaining his energy level on offense, but Nash doesn't?

[DPG21920]

Then why do you assume Nash is incapable of being a good defender?

I disagree. Your mental gifts are just as much "god given" as your physical gifts. Fact is, Amare was blessed with an extremely low basketball IQ. That's never going to change, it's not like there's a brain exercise he can do to become Tim Duncan.

Also, yeah, he's athletic. He's also extremely frail. He doesn't have the lower body strength to keep players away from the basket or fight for position.

The fact that you write this, shows why your player evaluation skills are poor and why you hate Nash so much.

So Amare cannot be a good defender, but Nash can. Got ya.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

The fact that you write this, shows why your player evaluation skills are poor and why you hate Nash so much.

So Amare cannot be a good defender, but Nash can.

I never said Nash can.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

So Amare cannot be a good defender

Right, he can't. He doesn't possess the intelligence or lower body strength to ever be a good interior defender.

Just like how Nash doesn't have the physical gifts to be a great perimeter defender. They both however can be a lot better than they are.

[DPG21920]

So somehow Amare has the ability to try hard on defense while still maintaining his energy level on offense, but Nash doesn't?

Nope. He would get tired, but athleticism goes a long way to help recover. Amare does not have to work nearly as hard as Nash on offense anyways, not to mention that is not that point.

Point is, Amare has the tools to be a good defender and he could still give the Suns what they needed offensively as well. May be a slight dip in production, but still adequate.

Nash is the offense and even if he put all of his effort into defense, it would be a net loss because he would never stop TP, Jason Kidd, Chris Paul....But he can match them offensively.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

The fact that you write this, shows why your player evaluation skills are poor and why you hate Nash so much.

So Amare cannot be a good defender, but Nash can. Got ya.

This is coming from an Andrea Bargnani fan.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

But he can match them offensively.

No he can't. He no longer matches the production of great PG's. He gets out produced.

[DPG21920]

Right, he can't. He doesn't possess the intelligence or lower body strength to ever be a good interior defender.

Just like how Nash doesn't have the physical gifts to be a great perimeter defender. They both however can be a lot better than they are.

Nope. Just flat our wrong. No one said Amare could be the best low post defender. He could be a good defender overall. Even good defenders have their weaknesses.

Amare is a mobile big that could cancel out the Pau's of the league. Nash could not cancel out anyone because he does not have the physical gifts.

There are plenty of dumb defenders in the league.

[DPG21920]

This is coming from an Andrea Bargnani fan.

Look at the numbers sons.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Nash is the offense

That was his decision. He had a great center who could get points on his own, but he didn't want that. Being the main offensive player not expected to try on defense was Nash's choice.

[DPG21920]

No he can't. He no longer matches the production of great PG's. He gets out produced.

Failure. How many other pg's shot 50/40/90? Also, we have been talking over his career. Not just this upcoming year.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Nash could not cancel out anyone because he does not have the physical gifts.

He must be REALLY unathletic since he's unable to cancel out Steve Blake.

[Findog]

It is not ok if you want every player to be everything. There are 99% of the league that don't always put in 100% on both ends. But they also do not bring what Nash does on the offensive end.

Yep. Just about every player in the league takes plays off from time to time.

It would be a net loss overall if Nash took away from his offense (which is amazing) and put more energy and effort into defense (which would tire him out) when he can't be good at it anyways.

Exactly. You have to figure out where you can help your team the most. There are times in pickup where I'm guarding a guy more offensively skilled than me. It's best for me to bust my ass checking him and spreading the floor as a spot-up shooter on offense, as opposed to trying to match him shot for shot.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Failure. How many other pg's shot 50/40/90?

When they're being guarded by Nash, all of 'em.