Lucifer = fallen angel
@ people thinking we're the sheep because we don't believe in God. How ironic.
I don't believe in God, and not because it's the cool thing to do, because it's really not and everytime this topic comes up a bunch of religious gotry ensues.
Like I said, adults with imaginary friends make me LOL.
Really? So you would laugh at the alcoholic that has used his faith to help him cure his destructive addiction?
I don't believe in God, and not because it's the cool thing to do, because it's really not and everytime this topic comes up a bunch of religious gotry ensues.
Like I said, adults with imaginary friends make me LOL.
If he has to use that as a crutch because he doesn't have the strength within himself to do it, then yes. Not that there's anything wrong with being religious. I don't hate Christians or anything. I just don't like people who shove their beliefs down my throat, which is what most of them do.
He created free will and that is how heaven and were created, according to doctrine.
Seriously. So you think because your lives were spared in some way that there's a God? What about all those wicked people who get saved the same way then end up murdering and torturing people? I seem to recall this one guy, named Hitler...
There is power within all of us to control our actions. Christians call this free will. I call it the unique power of human beings to overcome themselves. Too much credit is given to god when someone doesn't believe they are strong enough to put down the bottle. To be promised riches in the next world invites one to give up riches in this life. Therefore, it can make you less susceptible to backsliding.
Religion, by all accounts, is a human ins ution. It responds to the laws put down by man. And its sole purpose is to change mankind for the better. It is a tremendous amount of power because it creates a master and a servant in a life. Eternally. If one is willing to step in for the deity in that regard then the power-hungry can abuse the ins ution. This has happened many times throughout our history.
So the truth is that it is laughable, but this athiest believes there recovery is more important than being right.
You are naive. Physical and psychological addiction is much more powerful than you are giving it credit for. Some people can't just stop at the word of a doctor.
Again...from the mouth of someone that has never been addicted to anything or understands the addicted mind.
Heaven does not exist until is created. Heaven was existence. God created a different existence out of Lucifer's iniquity (Ezekiel 28).
I smoke. I eat. I do both in excess. What arrogance you have displayed.
You are not seriously comparing these things to alcoholism, are you?
Yes. Addiction is addiction.
Very serious car accident when I was 16 years old...flipped my truck several times through a barbed wire fence, and a telephone pole fell and went right through my windshield. Went right past my head. I walked away without a scratch.
People like you are worse than religious fanatics. You insult people for their beliefs. Say what you will, but nothing you can say will change what I believe.
First off, I like you, so I want to make sure you know this is no offense...My faith is not a crutch. I believe in God because I've had a lot of things happen in my life that I consider miracles, and I believe he is the one who brought them to me. And for you to say that most Christians shove their beliefs down people's throat, that's crap. I live in the south, where Christians are everywhere..and we don't shove anything down anyone's throat. Maybe where you live they do, but maybe that's because you shove the fact that you DON'T believe down people's throats. Maybe not, but that's just as bad as when Laker fans say all Spurs fans hate Kobe Bryant. Completely untrue...maybe some do, but most just live their lives.
faith x= religion
Don't take what I said as a personal attack on you or something, because I was speaking generally. If you feel that God is the motivation behind you being able to give up drinking, that's fine. Good for you, more power to you for giving it up. I just believe that within every person is something called willpower, and there are those who would choose to believe that things aren't left in our own hands to decide and think God is the decider of all, which is bull . I make my own choices and choose my own path, not some make believe deity. I don't use God as a crutch, whether that is using his "love" as my motivation to do something or whether that be feeling sorry for myself or not doing anything to better my position because it's just God's will and he'll get me through it.
Secondly, I don't shove anything down anyone's throats, so please don't throw wild accusations and assumptions around. I generally keep my religious thoughts to myself, because if ever I speak my mind on the subject it becomes this huge debacle about faith and God and . And you say people don't shove it down your throats in the south, which is funny because I live in SA which I'm sure is pretty south. But seriously, that's a load of horse . Because I'm sure any other atheist here will tell you that if you're talking to a religious person and you tell them you're an atheist, all they will try to do is tell you how God is present everywhere blah blah, and then they'll go off on some long tirade about how God saved their life or some crazy miracle happened to them so that proves he's real. And it's just extremely tiring to here people who won't listen to reason or any scientific evidence, HARD EVIDENCE, and just blindly follow like a sheep because they're so afraid that if they don't they'll go to .
That's all religion is. Made by man to make himself feel more secure in his meaningless existence by adding grand delusions of some Utopian afterlife if we all adhere to what some perverted old gots at the Vatican tell us to our lives so we feel more important, like we're apart of something bigger when in reality we're not that important and our existence on this planet is a statistical anomaly.
Well, I ain't buyin' that .
I've offered an open invitation to the first one who would have a meeting with me to discuss a deal. God & Devil.
Neither one showed up. I don't think they exist.
I've always wondered about Lucifer. I thought angels were not like humans in the sense that they don't have free will yet Lucifer fell from Heaven and became Satan. It doesn't make sense in my opinion. And I've never understood the concept of loving God. How can you love someone that you've never met, seen, touched, or heard? I know that faith is believing in the absence of proof but it's kinda hard for me to understand how you can love someone that you believe exists because of a leap of faith.
I guess you and I are not so different, Laker fan.
i see this conversation has gotten far. Oh wow, wait, whats that? religion talks never go anywhere? oh yea that's what I thought. I wonder how many threads have come up about religion and gotten no where-no ones changing anyones minds, pretty much a waste of time-and yes i realize i put in my thoughts but it is pretty much pointless, ultimately questions will be asked, flaws pointed out, etc. You either are religious or your not. Doesn't make you a better person or not, just a choice. I'm going to say a prayer for you all.......i keed i keed
Scientific studies have shown there is substantial evidence that individuals who live through life with a belief in a deity or incorporate a spiritual component to their lives live longer and healthier than those who do not.
If you've paid attention to the Bible, it states that the number of true Christians in the world are very few. If an atheist walks up to me and punches me in the face, may I hold all atheists responsible for such an act? If not, please refrain from generalizing so drastically.
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