Hypothetical: Split the country

[balli]

You have it backwards. Unlike most of the states in the midwest and south, the west/east coast states typically pay out more to the federal govt. than they receive. Have fun paying all those agricultural subsidies without those tax revenues from the blue states. And good luck watering your crops. Many of the blue states are water wealthy, but states in the south and southwest are drying up, especially with all the population growth.

No kidding. I saw that dumbass post last night and wanted to throw up. I'm too lazy to find the link and I've posted it about 20 times already, but eight of the top ten spenders of federal dollars, who pay the least in taxes- red states. And the top ten who spend the least, but pay the most- all blue states.

SO GMAFB, SoG. I know the right doesn't like to let facts get in their way or anything, but maybe this time you could make an exception.

[coyotes_geek]

Just to play devils advocate.......

You have it backwards. Unlike most of the states in the midwest and south, the west/east coast states typically pay out more to the federal govt. than they receive. Have fun paying all those agricultural subsidies without those tax revenues from the blue states. And good luck watering your crops. Many of the blue states are water wealthy, but states in the south and southwest are drying up, especially with all the population growth.

Then we all starve because the blue states sure aren't growing their own food.

Businesses looking for an undereducated work force and weak government regulations would bring more low paying jobs, turning the South into one giant maquiladora. Yay!

That still beats the massive unemployment that would happen in the north as businesses would continue to flock south to look for cheap labor and tax friendly locations.

But without the national health care Israel has, right? A desert country that is constantly under threat of attack from neighboring countries and terrorists--how appealing.

And the blue state nation wouldn't be under similar threats of attack?

[clambake]

Just to play devils advocate.......



Then we all starve because the blue states sure aren't growing their own food.

the devils never been to cali?

That still beats the massive unemployment that would happen in the north as businesses would continue to flock south to look for cheap labor and tax friendly locations.

yeah? whats your product and who are your customers?

and.....i guess, what you're suggesting is, that you red staters will seal your borders?

And the blue state nation wouldn't be under similar threats of attack?

so........red states get the separation they desire and still plan attacks on blue states?

[Bartleby]

Just to play devils advocate.......

Then we all starve because the blue states sure aren't growing their own food.

Canadians aren't starving and they're farther north than we are. And contrary to popular belief, some food is in fact grown north of the Mason/Dixon.

That still beats the massive unemployment that would happen in the north as businesses would continue to flock south to look for cheap labor and tax friendly locations.

The blue states would still have high tech jobs, education jobs, research, tourism, service industry jobs etc.

And the blue state nation wouldn't be under similar threats of attack?

Why would it? After all the assholes and nutjobs moved to the red nation it would become a magnet for violence from both within and without.

[LnGrrrR]

Then we all starve because the blue states sure aren't growing their own food.

Are you not counting California as a blue state?

[coyotes_geek]

Canadians aren't starving and they're farther north than we are. And contrary to popular belief, some food is in fact grown north of the Mason/Dixon.

There's only 32 million Canadians. How many people are going to live in your blue state nation? Of course there's food grown north of the mason/dixon line. But not nearly enough to feed their population.

The blue states would still have high tech jobs, education jobs, research, tourism, service industry jobs etc.

All jobs that the south would have as well. Only in locations with better weather, and where the cost of living is cheaper.

Why would it? After all the assholes and nutjobs moved to the red nation it would become a magnet for violence from both within and without.

Good thing there's never any violence in cities like Washington DC or New York.

[coyotes_geek]

Are you not counting California as a blue state?

I am. No doubt California is a huge producer of agriculture, but do they alone produce enough to feed themselves, the rest of the west coast, plus all of New England? I doubt it.

[clambake]

considering florida went blue..........good luck distributing your product through the gulf.

[coyotes_geek]

considering florida went blue..........good luck distributing your product through the gulf.

Last time I checked Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama had ports on the Gulf too.

[clambake]

Last time I checked Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama had ports on the Gulf too.

@ the reality that your customers would be limited to poor hicks.

[coyotes_geek]

@ the reality that your customers would be limited to poor hicks.

Yet for some reason the trend of people migrating from those uber-sophisticated northern states to the poor hick states in the south continues to accelerate........

[SpurNation]

Besides, the country isn't evenly red/blue. It's very purple, and there are pockets of red and blue throughout.

Agreed. But it's only the pockets of the red and blue that are getting filled and the purple are remaining bruised and beat as that symbolic color physically reflects what happens when being injured.

As far as the 3/5ths rule....I hope your not implying I'm racists which I'm not. What I am referring to is the time when states actually ruled their own government without the jurisdiction of the federal government implicating federal law to the citizens of that state unless they were on federal property within that state

Things didn't work out too well when we tried it 150 years ago, I don't see why trying it now would work out any better.

It's getting fiscally and morally close to the same reasons 150 years ago presented itself with regarding this country minus the abolition beliefs. That's scary to see ...the common trends between that period and now and know what transpired because of those trends. I'm a firm believer that history repeats itself.

Of course we wouldn't have to worry about that since the federal government has too much power not allow such a thing to ever happen again. But because of strong armed federal government intervention...we will never be a free people again compared to the original foundings of this government.

And there's plenty of history to go buy if that ever happens.

[clambake]

or...when you mix red with blue it turns purple.....without bruising.

[clambake]

Yet for some reason the trend of people migrating from those uber-sophisticated northern states to the poor hick states in the south continues to accelerate........

again.....what is the product for these uber customers of yours?

[coyotes_geek]

again.....what is the product for these uber customers of yours?

Whatever products we're all currently buying. It's not like a split into red-U.S. and blue-U.S. is going to change what we consume. Last I checked people up north were buying food, clothing, shelter and whatever myriad of creature comfort goods and services just like people in the south were.

[SpurNation]

or...when you mix red with blue it turns purple.....without bruising.

No...the purple are bruising because of an either red or blue controlled federal government that's irresponsible to any other agenda except for their own party's manifestations that would help bring them power.

[clambake]

Whatever products we're all currently buying. It's not like a split into red-U.S. and blue-U.S. is going to change what we consume. Last I checked people up north were buying food, clothing, shelter and whatever myriad of creature comfort goods and services just like people in the south were.

oh, i get it! it would be a good natured split of the nation.

why didn't you say so?

[clambake]

No...the purple are bruising because of an either red or blue controlled federal government that's irresponsible to any other agenda except for their own party's manifestations that would help bring them power.

you say this, yet you're picking sides. why not get to the point?

[Extra Stout]

As if there could be any kind of straight-line schism a la 1860. No, it will be Bleeding Kansas times a couple hundred thousand.

[coyotes_geek]

oh, i get it! it would be a good natured split of the nation.

why didn't you say so?

I doubt it would be a good natured split, but that doesn't mean that those left in blue-U.S. are going to quit needing whatever they're buying from the red states.

[clambake]

I doubt it would be a good natured split, but that doesn't mean that those left in blue-U.S. are going to quit needing whatever they're buying from the red states.

so....you think, after the split, that it would be business as usual.

thats funny.

[Extra Stout]

so....you think, after the split, that it would be business as usual.

thats funny.

I think you may have some experience regarding how these splits actually go, and that one was relatively tame compared to what this one would be.

[SpurNation]

you say this, yet you're picking sides. why not get to the point?

If you haven't figured out that I'm not for any side except for a state by state governed nation instead of the irresponsible Democrat/Republican run federal government then you haven't understood a word I've been posting.

Too be honest...I wouldn't have a clue as to if this nation was one way or the other how it would become. They both (political parties) need each other to promote their agendas through manipulation of the public. We are forced to choose one or the other and neither really have the majority of the population's interests at heart.

But I do know because of that fact...this nation is suffering more and more as a whole and we all are being brought down because of it and now face deficits that are going to I fear (in the very near future) eventually change everything we currently know and live by as individuals.

[coyotes_geek]

so....you think, after the split, that it would be business as usual.

thats funny.

Not business as usual, but there will definitely be business. The blue-u.s. is too dependent on products from red-u.s. for there not to be.

[LnGrrrR]

I am. No doubt California is a huge producer of agriculture, but do they alone produce enough to feed themselves, the rest of the west coast, plus all of New England? I doubt it.

New England produces enough food to support itself, I would think. Or at least, has the capability. Maine, New Hampshire and Vermot have a decent amount of farmland available. As well, you're not counting imports.