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I know he can be clutch. But said Manu is top 3. This implies that Manu is better than Roy. Which he is not, by any stretch of the imagination
I know he can be clutch. But said Manu is top 3. This implies that Manu is better than Roy. Which he is not, by any stretch of the imagination
Wade, Kobe and Roy I understand.
I would not put Iguodala or Allen above Manu, the first one is not there yet and don't get started with Allen... he's a sharpshooter with above average bball IQ but a healthy and fired up manu would own him.
See that last part is where you lose me....
I'm not suggesting Roy isn't a basketball stud... clearly he is.
Roy and Manu are comparable players, even though Manu has accomplished far more as a player than Roy has. Your last line implies that they can't be equated... which shows your bias due to the extreme nature of the phrase.
What I'm telling you is that Kobe himself will tell you that Manu is a top 3 shooting guard in the league... AND I'll take Kobe's opinion on the matter over that of the average NBA fan...
Kobe, Wade, Roy, Johnson, Martin are all better than a healthy Ginobli.
GO MAVS
Wade is hands down the second best shooting guard in the league today... but when Manu makes a play it's usually game-defining...
And this little scoop shot under Aldridge's arms was pure brilliance... I couldn't find a better version...
Here's what happens when Ginobili doesn't play
I couldn't find the clip where Ginobili goes for 19 consecutive points against the Hawks to the tune of 40 points... mostly against Johnson...
But I believe these points were from that run...
well... I don't really have to justify this one... don't get me wrong... KMart is a great player but he's not really in same class as Manu.
And now I present to you the second most prolific and efficient game of the decade... second only to Kobe's 81 pt game...
Followed by a mix tape that would dwarf anything made for Roy...
Brandon Roy can pretty much do whay Joe johnson can so they should be tied...
That said I think Joe Johnson is underated so i agree with him being this high on the list
+1000000000. Thanks for backing me up.. Like I was trying to tell him...Basketball is more than just scoring. Manu contributes in every single way possible when healthy. He's a good defender, gets steals, rebounds, assists on other buckets, and most importantly...is one of the clutchest guys in the NBA when healthy.
+10000. Even Kobe himself has said in the past that Manu, when on his game..is a top 3 shooting guard in the league.
when he is on his game, when he is healthy, with the game on the line, as long as we don't talk about defense, manu is a top 3 SG. a lot of conditions though.
when he is on his game and healthy is obvious. The same can be said for Parker, not that you'd ever cop to it.
when he is on his game, when he is healthy, with the game on the line, as long as we don't talk about defense, manu is a top 3 SG. a lot of conditions though.
Statistically, coming off of the season he just came off of, and considering his age, I could see why the majority of people rank Roy ahead of Ginobili as the third best shooting guard in the league (Bryant and Wade are obviously first and second), but I'd still take Ginobili over any two-guard but the first two. After those four, it comes down to Johnson and Carter for the fifth spot.
Moving forward?
Absolutely, Roy's ahead of Manu.
But if Manu somehow recaptures what he had in '08, where he was unquestionably the second best 2-guard in the league that year, I'd take Manu for this upcoming year.
If that Manu shows up, he'll be the third best 2-guard in the league behind only Bryant and Wade. The odds of Manu being that dominant of a player ever again, at least on a consistent basis, aren't all that likely, however.
I think given the cir stance and the inability to know what to expect of Manu after the ankle injuries, ranking Manu fourth is pretty fair. It's giving just due to a guy who's been there done that, so it's not all that outlandish.
If Manu proves to be the fourth best 2-guard in the league come the end of the year, I think that's probably the best you can hope for.
That's the Manu the Spurs need for them to capture another le.
don't worry. i've said in this thread that i thought that manu was the perfect SG for this team. i know that my french flag makes me irrelevant to talk about manu for some members, like you obviously and unfortunately. and why bring parker in this discussion ?
anyway, i don't think manu is a top 3 sg and i just find it funny that some people try to put so much conditions to make him crack this top 3. you have to consider the whole player, his health, his consistency, his overall game to judge him.
Last time i checked, Parker wasn't broken on the last two PO runs. I can't remember the last time Manu was healthy, so it isn't that "obvious" to me. At this point in their respective careers, comparing Parker to Manu is not fair to Parker...not that you'd ever cop to it.
I bring up Parker in an attempt to try and make you understand my point, seeing as though he's your favorite player. Saying "when healthy and on his game" isn't an unreasonable statement or parameter. It means when playing at his best. If Parker was injured or not playing to the best of his potential he wouldn't crack any top list either.
anyway, i don't think manu is a top 3 sg and i just find it funny that some people try to put so much conditions to make him crack this top 3. you have to consider the whole player, his health, his consistency, his overall game to judge him.
and stop playing the ing victim. Your french flag has nothing to do with anything here, other than serve as a crutch when your arguments fail you... "oh look at me, I'm french and being discriminated against"
Being french (or any nationality for that matter) shouldn't prevent you from posting your opinion on any matter but it sure as doesn't make it argument-proof either.
In the context in which I'm comparing them its perfectly reasonable. I'm not comparing which one is better, so stop acting like a butthurt little .
oh snap!not that you'd ever cop to it.
I see what you did there!
Good one...
P.S. I'm not a blind Manu homer who doesn't appreciate Parker's quality, so save the automated anti-homer bull for someone else.
manu was better in 2005 the now
you didn't understand me. i mentionned my french flag because, in a thread about manu (and only in this kind of thread), for some posters, you can't say a word negative about manu without being labeled a parker fan and so, a manu hater.I bring up Parker in an attempt to try and make you understand my point, seeing as though he's your favorite player. Saying "when healthy and on his game" isn't an unreasonable statement or parameter. It means when playing at his best. If Parker was injured or not playing to the best of his potential he wouldn't crack any top list either.
and stop playing the ing victim. Your french flag has nothing to do with anything here, other than serve as a crutch when your arguments fail you... "oh look at me, I'm french and being discriminated against"
Being french (or any nationality for that matter) shouldn't prevent you from posting your opinion on any matter but it sure as doesn't make it argument-proof either.
this logic is lame, and i think you agree, but you still used it in bringing tony in this thread to answer me.
Once again, and i said it many and many times, manu is the perfetc fit for us. i would like nobody else as sg.
still, he's nowhere close to a nba top3 sg right now, IMO
That was not what I meant to say, though I can see how it might look that way.
Fair enough. I don't think anyone can truthfully argue that an injured Manu is top3 sg. Hence the qualifications added. I don't think they are unreasonable, you seem to. Let's leave it at that.Once again, and i said it many and many times, manu is the perfetc fit for us. i would like nobody else as sg.
still, he's nowhere close to a nba top3 sg right now, IMO
you gotta problem with the French mania?
quit the nationalist , sorry we dont all have a limited world view and ignore everywhere thats not argentina
he was real ing clutch in the 2008 and 2009 playoffsmost importantly...is one of the clutchest guys in the NBA when healthy.
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