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I beg to disagree here. Better ball-hawker, sure. Defender? Eh.
Paul would be more successful on the Spurs than Parker would be with the Hornets. Paul is every bit the scorer that Tony Parker is, plus he's a better passer and defender.
I beg to disagree here. Better ball-hawker, sure. Defender? Eh.
I highly disagree that Paul is a better defender. He is a gambler. TP is a better actual defender both on the perimeter and down low.
It is hard to gauge because of the Spurs system. Playing with Duncan makes it difficult to rack up the assists, but TP still sets up the offense well and we should see how TP does on the break this year, now that he has some help.
I dunno. NEITHER one can defend for ...though, for some reason, I wanna say that Paul routinely gets steal after frustrating steal against the majority of the opponents he faces.
I should prolly check that before I sign off on it...
He does get steals, but to say TP cannot defend for is very false. Go back and watch the game film. He is an above average defender for his position.
Now neither CP3 or TP can guard each other, but who can? Other than Paul, TP does pretty well against most on most nights.
Ball-hawking is a big part of the defensive responsibilities of point guards.
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That is like saying "shot blocking" is a big part of the defensive responsibilities of big men and we all know that Camby is not a great defender. Same with Birdman.
I am not saying getting steals and blocks are a bad thing, but they often overrating peoples "defense".
Yeah, whereas TP averaged .9 SPG last season and 1 overall in his career, CP averaged 2.8 last season, 2.4 overall. (per nba.com)
Obviously, defensive prowess doesn't boil down to SPG alone, but it certainly doesn't hurt his case either. (and trust me when I tell you this, I HATE going to bat for that d-bag)
huh, it is
Finish the quote. Shot blocking is a stat and sometimes a symptom of good defense.
Defensive responsibility is keeping the guy from scoring a high percentage and rebounding and helping out.
Paul's a gambler, and he pretty much always gambles right. Defending down low, sure, Tony's better. But not out on the perimeter. His defensive instincts aren't that good. Tony's quickness compensates for a lot of that, but if Tony is guarding someone who's pretty close to being as quick as he is, Tony struggles a lot.
So does Paul. Paul does not routinely stop other guys PG's from getting to where they want. Look at how bad D-Will torches him every time they play seemingly. Billups owned him as well and he almost never does that to TP.
it's a lot more than that. if you have a great shotblocker in the paint, teams will most likely NOT try to penetrate. It's very valuable.
To a certain degree, but Camby was the best shot blocker in the game for a while and his team got run up.
He got lit up one on one. Having a shot blocker next to an anchor is valuable, having a guy who only cleans up off of weakside stuff 3 times a game, not so much.
Yeah, teams definitely didn't go inside against the Nuggets with Camby.
I don't understand people saying Parker doesn't play good defense. Are they still watching games from 3-4 years ago? Numerous articles have been written this year about how proficient Tony has become at defending.
D Will torches Tony Parker pretty regularly too. , no one in the Paul, Parker, Williams, Billups quartet can guard each other worth a damn.
I think Parker does better against D-Will and Billups than CP3 does, but I have not checked the splits. But yes, generally, they all torch each other. But you can also look at the crazy lopsided head to head match up between D-Will and CP3.
Even if you take those guys out, TP does better in a traditional defense than CP3 imo. CP3 is a better overall player, but I think TP is a better defender.
TP and D-Will, I would take TP, but D-Will can certainly be argued.
I'm not saying that Tony doesn't play good defense. I just think that Chris Paul is a little bit better at it. JMO........Yeah, teams definitely didn't go inside against the Nuggets with Camby.
I don't understand people saying Parker doesn't play good defense. Are they still watching games from 3-4 years ago? Numerous articles have been written this year about how proficient Tony has become at defending.
List sounds about right.
I wasn't really referring to you, just people who think both Paul and Parker are abhorrent at defense, which is absolutely not the case. PGs get pick n rolled more than any player in the league, so they actually have to play a lot more defense to hold their man to lower scoring numbers.
The top 3 are definitely close. I can't really put a number to each of them myself. Paul's the best playmaker and Tony's the best scorer but Deron's the best all round pg imo. All 3 are great though. Also I wish they would've included Westbrook in those honorable mentions. He's gonna be great some day.
Parker deserved to win the 2007 Finals MVP. However he did what he does best, SCORE as you pointed out above. He was an explosive scorer in a low scoring series. Once again he deserved the MVP award, however it was his scoring alone that got him to the MVP trophy. No one was close because they werent consistent scorers like Parker. In games 3/4 Duncan/Ginobili had subpar scoring games and Parker put up numbers. I love CP3 and D-will but they may be overrated, but so is Parker. CP3 assist and playmaking may go down without T.Chandler right? D-will is maybe just a product of J.Sloan beautiful offensive system right? Parker has to have the ball all the time to be effective, right?
That's an extremely simple view to take. If Duncan had put up the kind of scoring numbers Parker did in the Finals, you would hear nothing but praise for how smart he is for "taking advantage of mismatches", "putting the Spurs on his back", "being a horrible mismatch for the other team", or "realizing his team needs scoring and stepping up accordingly". But Parker does it, and he's accused of being a one-dimensional player.
He shot at a 57% for the Finals (in a series where the scores were averaging in the low to mid 80s!). I'm not sure what he could have done to get assists in order to help the Spurs score a higher clip.
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