Rivers gets contract extension

[dirk4mvp]

Rivers is a top 3 QB easily.

lolwut

[DPG21920]

http://www.helium.com/items/1313655-...008-nfl-season

Determining the best quarterback of 2008 is really a lot easier than it first might appear. There are several factors that have to be considered, but once that is done the clear-cut answer for the 2008 NFL season is Philip Rivers of the San Diego Chargers.





If statistics were the only important thing in assessing quarterback play, then we could say it was an absolute fact that Dan Marino was better than Joe Montana.





If winning were the only important thing in assessing quarterback play, we could argue that Trent Dilfer, a Super Bowl champion, was better than Dan Marino who never won the big game.





Obviously, a combination of winning games and big statistics has to be evident when bestowing the le of best quarterback.





The third and often overlooked factor to consider is the team that the quarterback has around him, the players he has to work with.





When these three factors are taken into consideration for the 2008 NFL season, Rivers is by far the best quarterback.





First let us look at the statistics: Rivers' quarterback rating was 105.5. He was the only quarterback with a rating over 100.





Rivers threw 34 touchdown passes which was equaled by only Drew Brees of the pass-happy New Orleans Saints.





Rivers only threw 11 interceptions for the entire season. Only three starting quarterbacks had less.





Rivers threw for more yardage than NFL Most Valuable Player Peyton Manning and he did so in far fewer passing attempts. Manning threw the ball 555 times and Rivers threw it just 478 times.





Compare that to Drew Brees and Kurt Warner who threw 635 and 598 passes respectively and you develop a new respect for Rivers' accomplishment.





Say what you want about the San Diego Chargers overall record being just 8-8, the Chargers did win their division then went on to beat the Indianapolis Colts in the playoffs, the Colts quarterback being non other than MVP Peyton Manning.





So, Rivers is the clear leader in statistics and did his fair share of winning. Kurt Warner put up impressive statistics and has led his team to the Super Bowl, so does that make him better than Rivers?





This is where surrounding talent comes in to play. Rivers outshines all quarterbacks in 2008 in both statistics and winning, except for Warner. Warner has the edge in winning.





Warner also has Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin to throw the ball to. Rivers had nobody of that talent level catching his passes.





Fitzgerald and Boldin are both considered top-ten receivers in the NFL. Many consider Fitzgerald to be the best



http://www.helium.com/items/1494264-...-season?page=2


2) Phillip Rivers - San Diego Chargers

During his third year as the starting quarterback for the Chargers, Rivers exploded to have his best statistical season yet. Rivers completed 65.3% of his passes for 4,009 yards with 34 touchdowns and 11 interceptions. Rivers led the NFL with a quarterback rating of 105.5, well above Pennington who was second with a 97.4 quarterback rating.

Rivers showed his poise during the 2008 season when the Chargers had a 4 - 8 record and appeared out of the playoff hunt. Rivers led the team to four straight victories over the last month of the season, completing 66% of his passes for 1,054 yards with 11 touchdowns and only 1interception. As a result, the Chargers were able to win the AFC West division and advance to the playoffs for the third straight season.

What makes Rivers 2008 season even more impressive is he set career highs with completion percentages, yards thrown, and touchdown passes, while decreasing his interception totals. The outlook is bright for Rivers during the upcoming 2009 season where we should see him contend for the top quarterback spot.

[LOL texans]

http://www.helium.com/items/1313655-...008-nfl-season

Determining the best quarterback of 2008 is really a lot easier than it first might appear. There are several factors that have to be considered, but once that is done the clear-cut answer for the 2008 NFL season is Philip Rivers of the San Diego Chargers.





If statistics were the only important thing in assessing quarterback play, then we could say it was an absolute fact that Dan Marino was better than Joe Montana.





If winning were the only important thing in assessing quarterback play, we could argue that Trent Dilfer, a Super Bowl champion, was better than Dan Marino who never won the big game.





Obviously, a combination of winning games and big statistics has to be evident when bestowing the le of best quarterback.





The third and often overlooked factor to consider is the team that the quarterback has around him, the players he has to work with.





When these three factors are taken into consideration for the 2008 NFL season, Rivers is by far the best quarterback.





First let us look at the statistics: Rivers' quarterback rating was 105.5. He was the only quarterback with a rating over 100.





Rivers threw 34 touchdown passes which was equaled by only Drew Brees of the pass-happy New Orleans Saints.





Rivers only threw 11 interceptions for the entire season. Only three starting quarterbacks had less.





Rivers threw for more yardage than NFL Most Valuable Player Peyton Manning and he did so in far fewer passing attempts. Manning threw the ball 555 times and Rivers threw it just 478 times.





Compare that to Drew Brees and Kurt Warner who threw 635 and 598 passes respectively and you develop a new respect for Rivers' accomplishment.





Say what you want about the San Diego Chargers overall record being just 8-8, the Chargers did win their division then went on to beat the Indianapolis Colts in the playoffs, the Colts quarterback being non other than MVP Peyton Manning.





So, Rivers is the clear leader in statistics and did his fair share of winning. Kurt Warner put up impressive statistics and has led his team to the Super Bowl, so does that make him better than Rivers?





This is where surrounding talent comes in to play. Rivers outshines all quarterbacks in 2008 in both statistics and winning, except for Warner. Warner has the edge in winning.





Warner also has Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin to throw the ball to. Rivers had nobody of that talent level catching his passes.





Fitzgerald and Boldin are both considered top-ten receivers in the NFL. Many consider Fitzgerald to be the best



http://www.helium.com/items/1494264-...-season?page=2


2) Phillip Rivers - San Diego Chargers

During his third year as the starting quarterback for the Chargers, Rivers exploded to have his best statistical season yet. Rivers completed 65.3% of his passes for 4,009 yards with 34 touchdowns and 11 interceptions. Rivers led the NFL with a quarterback rating of 105.5, well above Pennington who was second with a 97.4 quarterback rating.

Rivers showed his poise during the 2008 season when the Chargers had a 4 - 8 record and appeared out of the playoff hunt. Rivers led the team to four straight victories over the last month of the season, completing 66% of his passes for 1,054 yards with 11 touchdowns and only 1interception. As a result, the Chargers were able to win the AFC West division and advance to the playoffs for the third straight season.

What makes Rivers 2008 season even more impressive is he set career highs with completion percentages, yards thrown, and touchdown passes, while decreasing his interception totals. The outlook is bright for Rivers during the upcoming 2009 season where we should see him contend for the top quarterback spot.

I could think of 7 or 8 QBs that would of put up similar numbers had they been in Rivers shoes, in that weak ass division. , had it been Cutler QBing the team, the Chargers would of been in the SB last year.

[LOL texans]

I lump Rivers in the Shaub/Garrard/Delhomme tier, IMO.

[DPG21920]

Wasn't Cutler in the same division?

[IronMexican]

Easily top 3? Manning, Brady, Warner, Brees and McNabb are all definitely better in my eyes. After that, it's a crab shoot.

[BUMP]

I lump Rivers in the Shaub/Garrard/Delhomme tier, IMO.

[IronMexican]

Brigitty brah, that's JT. He's pissed about the Colts getting chode bloaded by SD/

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Rivers is a top 3 QB easily.

Brady
Manning
Brees

[DPG21920]

Brady
Manning
Brees

Obviously, a combination of winning games and big statistics has to be evident when bestowing the le of best quarterback.

The third and often overlooked factor to consider is the team that the quarterback has around him, the players he has to work with.

When these three factors are taken into consideration for the 2008 NFL season, Rivers is by far the best quarterback.

First let us look at the statistics: Rivers' quarterback rating was 105.5. He was the only quarterback with a rating over 100.

Rivers threw 34 touchdown passes which was equaled by only Drew Brees of the pass-happy New Orleans Saints.

Rivers only threw 11 interceptions for the entire season. Only three starting quarterbacks had less.

Rivers threw for more yardage than NFL Most Valuable Player Peyton Manning and he did so in far fewer passing attempts. Manning threw the ball 555 times and Rivers threw it just 478 times.


Compare that to Drew Brees and Kurt Warner who threw 635 and 598 passes respectively and you develop a new respect for Rivers' accomplishment.

Say what you want about the San Diego Chargers overall record being just 8-8, the Chargers did win their division then went on to beat the Indianapolis Colts in the playoffs, the Colts quarterback being non other than MVP Peyton Manning.


So, Rivers is the clear leader in statistics and did his fair share of winning. Kurt Warner put up impressive statistics and has led his team to the Super Bowl, so does that make him better than Rivers?


This is where surrounding talent comes in to play. Rivers outshines all quarterbacks in 2008 in both statistics and winning, except for Warner. Warner has the edge in winning.


Warner also has Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin to throw the ball to. Rivers had nobody of that talent level catching his passes.


Fitzgerald and Boldin are both considered top-ten receivers in the NFL. Many consider Fitzgerald to be the best

Please respond to each of these.

[LOL texans]

Wasn't Cutler in the same division?

Uhhh yeah, How do you not know that. FYI, The AFC West teams are the Chargers, Broncos, Raiders and Chiefs. So yes Cutler was in the same division. But the Broncos sucked as a team. I firmly believe a Jay Cutler Chargers team would of had even better stats.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Obviously, a combination of winning games and big statistics has to be evident when bestowing the le of best quarterback.

The third and often overlooked factor to consider is the team that the quarterback has around him, the players he has to work with.

When these three factors are taken into consideration for the 2008 NFL season, Rivers is by far the best quarterback.

First let us look at the statistics: Rivers' quarterback rating was 105.5. He was the only quarterback with a rating over 100.

Rivers threw 34 touchdown passes which was equaled by only Drew Brees of the pass-happy New Orleans Saints.

Rivers only threw 11 interceptions for the entire season. Only three starting quarterbacks had less.

Rivers threw for more yardage than NFL Most Valuable Player Peyton Manning and he did so in far fewer passing attempts. Manning threw the ball 555 times and Rivers threw it just 478 times.


Compare that to Drew Brees and Kurt Warner who threw 635 and 598 passes respectively and you develop a new respect for Rivers' accomplishment.

Say what you want about the San Diego Chargers overall record being just 8-8, the Chargers did win their division then went on to beat the Indianapolis Colts in the playoffs, the Colts quarterback being non other than MVP Peyton Manning.


So, Rivers is the clear leader in statistics and did his fair share of winning. Kurt Warner put up impressive statistics and has led his team to the Super Bowl, so does that make him better than Rivers?


This is where surrounding talent comes in to play. Rivers outshines all quarterbacks in 2008 in both statistics and winning, except for Warner. Warner has the edge in winning.


Warner also has Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin to throw the ball to. Rivers had nobody of that talent level catching his passes.


Fitzgerald and Boldin are both considered top-ten receivers in the NFL. Many consider Fitzgerald to be the best

Please respond to each of these.

So surrounding talent matters when comparing Rivers to Warner, but it's not brought up at all when comparing Brees to Rivers?

[LOL texans]

Obviously, a combination of winning games and big statistics has to be evident when bestowing the le of best quarterback.

The third and often overlooked factor to consider is the team that the quarterback has around him, the players he has to work with.

When these three factors are taken into consideration for the 2008 NFL season, Rivers is by far the best quarterback.

First let us look at the statistics: Rivers' quarterback rating was 105.5. He was the only quarterback with a rating over 100.

Rivers threw 34 touchdown passes which was equaled by only Drew Brees of the pass-happy New Orleans Saints.

Rivers only threw 11 interceptions for the entire season. Only three starting quarterbacks had less.

Rivers threw for more yardage than NFL Most Valuable Player Peyton Manning and he did so in far fewer passing attempts. Manning threw the ball 555 times and Rivers threw it just 478 times.


Compare that to Drew Brees and Kurt Warner who threw 635 and 598 passes respectively and you develop a new respect for Rivers' accomplishment.

Say what you want about the San Diego Chargers overall record being just 8-8, the Chargers did win their division then went on to beat the Indianapolis Colts in the playoffs, the Colts quarterback being non other than MVP Peyton Manning.


So, Rivers is the clear leader in statistics and did his fair share of winning. Kurt Warner put up impressive statistics and has led his team to the Super Bowl, so does that make him better than Rivers?


This is where surrounding talent comes in to play. Rivers outshines all quarterbacks in 2008 in both statistics and winning, except for Warner. Warner has the edge in winning.


Warner also has Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin to throw the ball to. Rivers had nobody of that talent level catching his passes.


Fitzgerald and Boldin are both considered top-ten receivers in the NFL. Many consider Fitzgerald to be the best

Please respond to each of these.

I'll respond to all of these with just one picture...



This guy was the best QB last year. He got it done when the other 31 couldn't. That is the only measuring stick really. You can throw out all the inflated stats you want, but who ended up with the prize?????

Please respond to the question.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I'll respond to all of these with just one picture...



This guy was the best QB last year. He got it done when the other 31 couldn't. That is the only measuring stick really. You can throw out all the inflated stats you want, but who ended up with the prize?????

Please respond to the question.

I'm on your side with this Rivers argument, but by this logic Trent Dilfer was the best QB in the NFL at one point in time.

[LOL texans]

I'm on your side with this Rivers argument, but by this logic Trent Dilfer was the best QB in the NFL at one point in time.

LOL, good one. But I'd say no he wasn't. He was the bus driver of a team that was pretty much Quarterbacked by the defense. The D won the SuperBowl for the Ravens. Ben won the Super Bowl for the Steelers last year. The guy was so clutch last year.

[dirk4mvp]

People still use the Trent Dilfer example? Lame article

[DPG21920]

Uhhh yeah, How do you not know that. FYI, The AFC West teams are the Chargers, Broncos, Raiders and Chiefs. So yes Cutler was in the same division. But the Broncos sucked as a team. I firmly believe a Jay Cutler Chargers team would of had even better stats.

Of course I know it. It was a rhetorical question. Cutler had the same advantages as Rivers, except Rivers is not an emo b*tch.

[DPG21920]

I'll respond to all of these with just one picture...



This guy was the best QB last year. He got it done when the other 31 couldn't. That is the only measuring stick really. You can throw out all the inflated stats you want, but who ended up with the prize?????

Please respond to the question.

Silly argument. Ben is a very good quarterback. Winning a superbowl does not make you the best quarterback.

Also, I do not see how the stats and QB rating is inflated. In fact, he put up more stats with less attempts and less weapons.

[IronMexican]

You can say on spurstalk.

Cutler is also 2 years less seasoned in the NFL. Most QB's just start to get it in their third year. I expect him to take huge leaps next season.

[DPG21920]

I think Cutler has talent, but the argument for Cutler over Rivers right now is lol'able.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Rivers' quarterback rating was 105.5. He was the only quarterback with a rating over 100.

QB rating says Delhomme is a top 20 QB of all time.

Rivers threw 34 touchdown passes which was equaled by only Drew Brees of the pass-happy New Orleans Saints.

And he woulda had more than 34 if he got to play KC, Denver and Oakland rather than Carolina, Tampa and Atlanta, all 3 had above average pass defenses last year.

Rivers only threw 11 interceptions for the entire season. Only three starting quarterbacks had less.

Easy to avoid interceptions when even with an injury, teams are focused on stopping LT.

Rivers threw for more yardage than NFL Most Valuable Player Peyton Manning and he did so in far fewer passing attempts. Manning threw the ball 555 times and Rivers threw it just 478 times.

1) Does everything prior to 2008 go out the window?
2) Manning was injured and didn't have training camp.....he also led his team to a 12-4 record while Rivers' team had an 8-8 record. You can't seriously argue Rivers > Manning

Compare that to Drew Brees and Kurt Warner who threw 635 and 598 passes respectively and you develop a new respect for Rivers' accomplishment.

Not really when Warner's completion % was higher and Brees only had one .3% lower.

Say what you want about the San Diego Chargers overall record being just 8-8, the Chargers did win their division then went on to beat the Indianapolis Colts in the playoffs, the Colts quarterback being non other than MVP Peyton Manning.

So their 8-8 division win is somehow better than that of every other 8-8 team that wasn't lucky enough to play in their division.

This is where surrounding talent comes in to play. Rivers outshines all quarterbacks in 2008 in both statistics and winning, except for Warner. Warner has the edge in winning.

Keep in mind the best QB in football was injured last season, oh and the fact the NFL existed prior to 2008. And how exactly did he beat McNabb at winning?

Warner also has Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin to throw the ball to. Rivers had nobody of that talent level catching his passes.

1) I never said Warner was better than Rivers
2) Rivers has WAY better receivers than Drew Brees. Brees' best receiver, Colston, was injured the entire season. Vincent Jackson, Chris Chambers and Antonio Gates are way better targets than anyone Brees had to throw to.[/quote]

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

He was the bus driver of a team that was pretty much Quarterbacked by the defense.

And Ben was any different?

[LOL texans]

And Ben was any different?

You seriously want to say Dilfer and Ben are comprable???

That argument is so whack its not even deserving of a discussion differentiating the QB merits of either of them.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

You seriously want to say Dilfer and Ben are comprable???

yes I do, they both played on superbowl teams with ty offenses and great defebses.