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The only 2 I could make an argument for over Duncan are Wallace and KG, Dunacn > Battier.
so amazingSomehow, while pouring in over 20 a game, Duncan nearly managed to rule just as well as Ben Wallace(notes) did. He covered huge bits of floor while his guards recovered after the "screen" part of the screen-and-roll, blocked shots on the ball (he's been especially adept at giving a small guard a small step to drive with his strong hand, then recovering quickly enough to swat the shot with his left hand), and secured rebound after rebound. And he never fouled. Never sent teams to the line for cheap points. That's so huge.
As well-regarded as he is, Duncan is still underrated defensively. You could argue for him to be higher on this list, as well. It would be a tough argument to counter.
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The only 2 I could make an argument for over Duncan are Wallace and KG, Dunacn > Battier.
Shane over Wallace and Duncan?
that list is wack.
kirk heinrich?! he's only been playing since 2004!
Crappy order.
Joke?
Duncan isn't first?
Smh @ Battier over Wallace and Duncan. And Eric Snow and Hinrich over guys like Kirilenko, Kobe, Mourning. I'd even argue Raja Bell over Snow and Hinrich.
Wallace should be first, followed by Duncan, then Bowen, Mutumbo, Artest, Battier, etc.
Although I don't put much stock in lists like this, I think the fact that Camby isn't even on this one says a lot about how much of a joke it was when he won DPOY.
Horrible list....
Bruce should be way higher, and u guys are stupid for hating on guys like Snow and Hinrich...they were/are both great defenders. But I guess when the media feeds u nothing but bull about how Kobe or Wade or Lebron are such great defenders than its no surprise that u dont expect other less notable guys to be up there. My Top 5 would be:
1.Wallace
2.Duncan
3.KG
4.Bowen
5.Battier
Camby is the best shot blocker in the league...when healthy. I think him being injury prone has more to do with him not being on the list than anything else.
LMFAO
Garbage.
Bruce Bowen and Ben Wallace are definitely both of the top 2 defenders of the last decade.
It would be fun to hear Pop's top ten for this topic.
The fact that Bowen is only #7 made the list irrelevant in my eyes.
Top defenders of the decade: (In no particular order)
Clifford Robinson - Best post defender in the NBA after Rodman was retired.
Rasheed Wallace - Top 3 best post defender at any given time. Not a bad team defender either.
Bruce Bowen - Sure, he had help from Timmay, but the guy was a stopper.
Ron Artest - He is a great defender when his crazy is on. Problem is, his crazy also has him kicked out of games occasionally. Had the tools to be the greatest player of his generation.
Ben Wallace - The pinnacle of team defense. Could contain Shaq. With help, could even stop him. Ben's career will forever be linked with Shaq's. Did a surprisingly good job on Timmay in the 05 finals, despite not being traditionally a good man post defender.
Lindsey Hunter - He can take the ball away from anyone at will, can block shots on the perimeter, and almost never gets beat by his man. Sure he only played in spurts, but so does Kobe, and he is hailed as a great defender, and wasn't nearly as intimidating.
Dennis Rodman - When he played, the team he played for won. Even his last year...
Tim Duncan - Anchor of the Spurs' defense in the 21st century.
KG - He is a very intense defender, even if he got way too much help in 2008.
Eddie Jones - This guy's defense is totally under-rated. He was practically lock-down. Good for 30 minutes a night.
Jermaine Oneil - Say what you will about him, the guy used to be money in the post on defense pre 2005...
Alonzo Mourning - I dislike his game, but I can not deny what he was able to do off the bench for Miami. OMG.
Mutumbo - Challenged Timmay in the 03 finals. Shame on you Byron.
HM
Dwight Howard - Very very close. But his defense seems like it needs to be upped at least 1 notch to be mentioned with the others on this list.
Stephen Jackson - His crazy is also problematic, but could defend very well.
James Posey - One of the best defenders at his position.
Tayshaun Prince - More than just a block, when given the right cir stances, has been known to guard positions 1 through 5 effectively.
Kobe - Credit where credit is due, he can play lockdown for 30 seconds at a time.
First of all, Bryant doesn't rank. Second, quite clearly Duncan and Bowen or Bowen and Duncan should be the top two. The Spurs, for the most part, won with Duncan and defense all these years. Yeah, Ginobili was huge in '05 and Parker in '07, but those two things were the Spurs calling card.
Additionally, you look at the team defensive stats, and historically they're right there with any great defensive team in the history of the game. They have the all time defensive efficiency mark, another one in the top five, and they did this with generally two plus defenders.
Garnett goes to the Celtics, does for them defensively what Duncan has done since '97 defensively for the Spurs, and because he's in a bigger media market, fits the physical profile of what is generally considered a great defender, and is a shameless self promoter, he's all of a sudden considered a greater defender than Duncan? At his absolute peak, Duncan could effectively guard athletic face up four's, defend powerful back-to-the-basket five's, and serve as far and away the best help defender in the league. Garnett never had the strength to defend five's.
Battier being at #2 is absolutely ridiculous..Battier has never been an elite defensive stopper IMO, and even if he is, he certainly doesn't have the impact of an elite defensive big man..there's no way he can be put ahead of Duncan or Wallace..
Bruce Bowen
I think the notion that KG is a demonstrably better defender than Duncan is a myth that gained steam when KG's "remarkable" defensive team in Boston in 2008 earned him a DPOY. If you take some time to look at the metrics, there were several Spurs teams in the early part of this decade that had comparable numbers or better, largely because Duncan had comparable numbers to Garnett's (or better).
I wonder sometimes if the view of Duncan would be different if he had won at least 1 DPOY (he's deserved it several times).
that list sucks
should be:
10. Dwight Howard
9. Shane Battier
8. Jason Kidd
7. Dikembe Mutombo
6. Kobe Bryant
5. Kevin Garnett
4. Bruce Bowen
3. Ron Artest
2. Tim Duncan
1. Ben Wallace
I don't think anybody should be in the top 3 outside of Duncan, KG, and Wallace..I don't see anybody else having an argument..
The highest ranked perimeter defender on the list should be Bowen. Artest doesn't have the chops in the playoffs the way Bowen does to be considered a better defender. If people need a reason to believe, look at 05 and 07. What Bowen did to Lebron despite giving up about 50 lbs to Lebron at the time was ridiculous.
Wallace and Duncan should probably go 1-2. Prince should be on there, over Snow imo. Snow was a good defender, but outside of Bowen, I've never seen anyone get in Kobe's head the way Prince did in 04. And finally, the argument that everyone makes for KG can also be made for Sheed. Sheed went to Detroit, gave them some at ude, and was a force on the block against some of the elite PFs in the game. No one gave Duncan more trouble than Sheed.
In no particular order here's who I would have.
Duncan
Ben Wallace
KG
Bowen
Artest
Prince
Mourning
Mutumbo
Raja Bell
Rasheed Wallace
I left Camby off the list because everytime I watch Camby, he's terrible on help D. He doesn't rotate well on switches and just seems like he wants to camp in the paint and block shots. Blocking shots isn't the only thing that makes for great defense. I wouldn't consider Dwight Howard a great defender either.
Position D, great rotations, stepping out on pick and rolls altering/blocking shots, and finishing the play with rebounds is what great D is to a big man. Dwight and Camby don't do all these things very well like the Wallaces, Duncan and KG.
For perimeter defenders, getting into the heads of the opposing player has to be at the top of the list alongside staying in front of the offensive player. Contest shots, don't turn your man loose and above all, make your opponent alter his game from what he's comfortable doing is what a great perimeter defender does.
We all know how you feel by now, stfu about it. but don't worry if the Spurs go down b/c lack of a defensive stopper then we can just bump one of the infinite threads you've posted that cute little emoticon in.Bruce Bowen
okay? great
yup,i with you,duncan should be third,battier overrated!
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