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    People on cable news like Glenn Beck, Rachel Maddow, and Bill-o... Do you consider these people journalists at all or just commentators who talk and don't do any real in-depth research for themselves?

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    commentators. They just talk about the journalism someone else did.

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    Commentators, not journalists. But I don't discount the idea that Maddow/Olberrman read a decent amount of material and try to connect the dots. Beck and Bill-O just act outraged to appeal to their target demographic.

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    Commentators, but O'Reilly is the least partisan of the ones you named. He really likes Obama and has even written a book him.

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    Commentators, not journalists. But I don't discount the idea that Maddow/Olberrman read a decent amount of material and try to connect the dots. Beck and Bill-O just act outraged to appeal to their target demographic.



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    Include the non-cable, "major news" outlets as well.

    I don't see any "journalists" anywhere.

    Do you?

    I would call most of them..."analyst's"

    Haven't seen much "journalism" anywhere these days. But Mostly don't see it on the major news channels, like ABC, CBC, NBC. Where there's any "journalism" at all, it's coming from the web and cable.

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    People say Keith is a bag but I think it is awfully nice of him to devote every one of his shows to Bill O'Reilly. I watched his show about 3 times this week and every time he talks mostly of O'Reilly or Beck.

    Nice guy.

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    News is gathered from journalists...then networks report and place their own spin as to why it happened.

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    People say Keith is a bag but I think it is awfully nice of him to devote every one of his shows to Bill O'Reilly. I watched his show about 3 times this week and every time he talks mostly of O'Reilly or Beck.

    Nice guy.
    At least he's not calling the president racist.

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    At least he's not calling the president racist.
    eh... he called the last one a fascist ... and probably a racist as well.

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    As soon as everyone sees that their favorite cable news commentator / News talk host is completely full of the better off for everyone. The problem lies in the fact that many many people take what these heads say as gospel and don't look to find out for themselves.

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    As soon as everyone sees that their favorite cable news commentator / News talk host is completely full of the better off for everyone. The problem lies in the fact that many many people take what these heads say as gospel and don't look to find out for themselves.
    bingo!

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    eh... he called the last one a fascist ... and probably a racist as well.
    A lot of people called Bush a racist, remember those black people that had little to eat, shat without bathrooms, and died in corners of Superdome while waiting for relief assistance? Then, part of the "rebuilding" process involved allowing Katrina victims to stay in toxic FEMA trailers. I wouldn't call Bush a racist, but I can see how it's a little odd for mostly black people to get such ty treatment when they are already in a ty situation. What, you think it would have happened to Sen. Kennedy's cons uents? I somehow doubt that.

    Also, news commentators are neccessary for cable news ratings. If they just reported the news it would get boring real fast and college kids/old foggies wouldn't tune in and have kneejerk responses that keep them coming back for more. If ya'll are really tired of the divisiveness and fact plucking they ALL do, maybe you should ask cabe news networks to news shows from around the world instead of feeding us OUR talking points. Hm?

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    As soon as everyone sees that their favorite cable news commentator / News talk host is completely full of the better off for everyone. The problem lies in the fact that many many people take what these heads say as gospel and don't look to find out for themselves.
    Yeah, they all have their own personal ox to gore, however these people have huge followings because of the transparent slant and complicity the major networks have. what they think of the news of the day, but at least they are getting news out that the state run media would never allow, just look at how the major networks won't air adds that don't peddle the DNC grab for state run health care.
    Since the george Soros nut jobs have co opted the DNC there is a very real threat that they will attempt to do what Chavez did in Venezuela to silence dissent....in some ways I look forward to it .

    I ignore some of these commentators rants, but avidly listen to the stories they expose.The other thing, Obama must shut down conservative news and commentators, because they have become a tool to organize people into political activisim,something the Soros crowd cannot allow, they can only live in darkness and the people cannot be allowed to know what's going on.
    Illegal aliens used spainish radio stations as a tool to organize rallies.That's fine for the DNC, but Citizens must not be allowed freedom of information.
    No choice for health care..... No choice for freedom of thought.
    The Soros branch of the DNC is creating a padgrim of orwellian rhetoric that's right out of 1984.We should all remember that Orwell's books were his vision of the future if the republics fell, and that he watched first hand the birth of both facisim and communisim in his life time and watched what they did to europe.It looks as if facisim is once agian on the rise.

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    Yeah, they all have their own personal ox to gore, however these people have huge followings because of the transparent slant and complicity the major networks have. what they think of the news of the day, but at least they are getting news out that the state run media would never allow, just look at how the major networks won't air adds that don't peddle the DNC grab for state run health care.
    Since the george Soros nut jobs have co opted the DNC there is a very real threat that they will attempt to do what Chavez did in Venezuela to silence dissent....in some ways I look forward to it .

    I ignore some of these commentators rants, but avidly listen to the stories they expose.The other thing, Obama must shut down conservative news and commentators, because they have become a tool to organize people into political activisim,something the Soros crowd cannot allow, they can only live in darkness and the people cannot be allowed to know what's going on.
    Illegal aliens used spainish radio stations as a tool to organize rallies.That's fine for the DNC, but Citizens must not be allowed freedom of information.
    No choice for health care..... No choice for freedom of thought.
    The Soros branch of the DNC is creating a padgrim of orwellian rhetoric that's right out of 1984.We should all remember that Orwell's books were his vision of the future if the republics fell, and that he watched first hand the birth of both facisim and communisim in his life time and watched what they did to europe.It looks as if facisim is once agian on the rise.
    That was a whole lot of nothing.


    Your use of catch phrases such as "state run media" and throwing around the hugely overused/misused term "fascism" just undercuts your supposed argument and s on any credibility you though your post had.

    All that was missing was using the term "democraps" or "demonrats" and mentioning how Ted Kennedy should burn in .

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    Yeah, they all have their own personal ox to gore, however these people have huge followings because of the transparent slant and complicity the major networks have. what they think of the news of the day, but at least they are getting news out that the state run media would never allow, just look at how the major networks won't air adds that don't peddle the DNC grab for state run health care.
    Since the george Soros nut jobs have co opted the DNC there is a very real threat that they will attempt to do what Chavez did in Venezuela to silence dissent....in some ways I look forward to it .

    I ignore some of these commentators rants, but avidly listen to the stories they expose.The other thing, Obama must shut down conservative news and commentators, because they have become a tool to organize people into political activisim,something the Soros crowd cannot allow, they can only live in darkness and the people cannot be allowed to know what's going on.
    Illegal aliens used spainish radio stations as a tool to organize rallies.That's fine for the DNC, but Citizens must not be allowed freedom of information.
    No choice for health care..... No choice for freedom of thought.
    The Soros branch of the DNC is creating a padgrim of orwellian rhetoric that's right out of 1984.We should all remember that Orwell's books were his vision of the future if the republics fell, and that he watched first hand the birth of both facisim and communisim in his life time and watched what they did to europe.It looks as if facisim is once agian on the rise.


    it's easy to excite/incite the simpletons

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    Haven't seen much "journalism" anywhere these days. But Mostly don't see it on the major news channels, like ABC, CBC, NBC. Where there's any "journalism" at all, it's coming from the web and cable.
    Yep, Journalism is pretty much dead.

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    What are journalist suppose to do? They find a story and report what they see and find. They investigate others who might be associated to the story. Then that which is gathered is reported live and sent to the networks...AP.

    Networks review the story and compile beliefs and investigate even more...that's when "commentators" come along and place their spin to the story.

    We watch and assess opinion based on the spin. If you are of Liberal beleifs...you believe the Liberal media...same goes for the Conservative media.

    What's so hard to understand how it works?

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    What are journalist suppose to do? They find a story and report what they see and find. They investigate others who might be associated to the story. Then that which is gathered is reported live and sent to the networks...AP.

    Networks review the story and compile beliefs and investigate even more...that's when "commentators" come along and place their spin to the story.

    We watch and assess opinion based on the spin. If you are of Liberal beleifs...you believe the Liberal media...same goes for the Conservative media.

    What's so hard to understand how it works?
    No you don't get it. They should have gotten to the bottom of the birth certificate fiasco.

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    That was a whole lot of nothing.


    Your use of catch phrases such as "state run media" and throwing around the hugely overused/misused term "fascism" just undercuts your supposed argument and s on any credibility you though your post had.

    All that was missing was using the term "democraps" or "demonrats" and mentioning how Ted Kennedy should burn in .

    Ah the new consent being manufactured by the DNC and the state run media. As people start to rise up..we are not citizens participating in the democratic process, we are now "mobs with swastikas"... our outrage at a heavy handed thugs in the goverment and it's unresponsiveness is now called " counter productive to the debate" or was it "counter revolutionary" I forget which. Trillions are spent but nobody knows where they went and it's called transperancy in goverment.
    Your use of the Obama whitehouse's catch phrases is called bull .It's not working for him, and come 2010 it aint gonna work for whole lotta other politicians.And I'm sorry for the oversight, but I assumed it was a given "Ted Kennedy should burn in "

    I am afraid there is a whole lotta folks that don't wanna go back to sleep.

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    [quote=hope4dopes;3659994] Trillions are spent but nobody knows where they went and it's called transperancy in goverment.
    Your use of the Obama whitehouse's catch phrases is called bull .It's not working for him, and come 2010 it aint gonna work for whole lotta other politicians.
    quote]

    Just look at the links provided in this thread...
    http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134108

    I will supply more in that thread as I have the time to investigate. But...What happened to Reagan's balanced budget? And yes...Bush is guilty as charged as well.

    It is becoming a free wielding/spending government right in front of our own eyes.

    How are we to pay back China all the loans we have commited to that country?

    And I remember as a youth of only 9 or 10 the remarks that communist China said....America will not be a country that could be defeated by attack but from the inside out.

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    [QUOTE=SpurNation;3660009]
    Trillions are spent but nobody knows where they went and it's called transperancy in goverment.
    Your use of the Obama whitehouse's catch phrases is called bull .It's not working for him, and come 2010 it aint gonna work for whole lotta other politicians.
    quote]

    Just look at the links provided in this thread...
    http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134108

    I will supply more in that thread as I have the time to investigate. But...What happened to Reagan's balanced budget? And yes...Bush is guilty as charged as well.

    It is becoming a free wielding/spending government right in front of our own eyes.

    How are we to pay back China all the loans we have commited to that country?

    And I remember as a youth of only 9 or 10 the remarks that communist China said....America will not be a country that could be defeated by attack but from the inside out.
    I don't know but I think China would never have loaned us so much without knowing a way they could get paid back , which makes me wonder.... keep me posted with what you come across.

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    it's easy to excite/incite the simpletons
    George does your mother know your playing around on the computer again.....what did she have to take your big brother to little league practice.

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    the very existence of this topic, and its question, denotes what a bunch of ing dumb unaware re s comprise the majority of this country and the rest of the world. just the fact you used 'personalities' in your heading and yet don't consider the question rhetorical barely scratches the surface of how god-awful ing stupid you and the rest of the cable news network audience is.

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    they are, above all, employees, doing their employers' bidding of generating audience to sell advertising. aka

    Only The News The Corp Sees Fit To Sell Ads

    Is why you won't see any corporate media attacking a huge advertising milk cow like BigPharma.

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