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Well, thought i'd summarize some points from the other thread. First, I'm all for sjax to come, don't think it will happen, NY (idk why he would want to go there???, if he wants a winner) could prob offer more, cavs might have some pieces to throw up, mavs could throw jet out there-compared to bonner and mason. Player wise they don't compare but if the GSW really wants future salary flexibility then it could work. this is a pro take on sjax (duh)
Negatives
-SJax is 3/4 years older than mason
-wear and tear from playing high minutes and 31
-history of drama/bad at ude
-Tolerable contract money wise but length wise its a bear
-We already have enough scorers
-Can slack on D
-Will be in very tight salary situations for the next few year (no flex)
Positives (and refutes to negatives)
-Jack is better than mason in everyway. I don't understand anyone comparing mason to jax,beyond me. Jax has performed strong in the playoffs for multiple teams to where mase played like a bencher on a WNBA team last playoffs-mase is slow, one dimensional, shorter. Don't let time erase all of your feelings at the end of the playoffs, he's a dime a dozen
-With quite a few options around at SG/SF it will allow SJax and all the other players like manu, like jeff, to play much lower MPG-thus I think sjax can remain a good player at least for 3 more years
-Jax at ude when on the spurs was great. When he got into situations with shady players he had some trouble. Surround him w/ spurs players and his positives come out such as his fire/excitement/ability to get the crowd and teammates into it-a thing that all spurs fans can admit lacks quite a bit sometimes
-Would be absolutely a big time insurance play if nothing else. Yes, I believe manu will come back and be damn good-but no one knows for sure, plus with Sjax we really can play manu between 20-30 mins a game, thus extending them both. Worst case scenario manu comes back gets reinjured or is a s of himself-without sjax its bad news-with sjax still a contender
-Provide a guy who knows how to get it done on the O side. Guy has progressed in his abilities and can step up and make some huge shots. He can put it on the floor, hit 3's, good FT shooter, good size. I think his percentages would go up with lower minutes and playing in the spurs system-he knows how it goes-share. I can't believe I'm reading spurs fans after last years playoffs complaining about too many scorers!!! Wow. I know manu was out and now we have jeff but c'mon if you can add a guy who has a real talent to put the ball in the hoop you do it-spurs are still very passive at times-we all know the infinite dry spells that happen
-His D is better than people think- look at his situations/teams he's been on, he was asked to mainly score. He knows he will have to play D if playing under pop again. And anyone who thinks he can't do that hasn't been watching. I've seen him play good to great defense over the last few years in spells-he is capable and his size causes problems.
-Keeps jax out of a contender like the lady mavs/cavs
Ultimately, it still is a pipe dream, but if there is any chance at all some calls should be made. I recall the Pop/Buford going to Holt and saying some cash needs to be put into this team before it's too late. Holt has done that and brilliantly-but if he's serious you at least need to explore the option. This year will be a wash salary wise but next year will be definite lux tax again-but it seems Holt is willing to take that leap for TDs remaining years, so it should be doable again IF GS would consider Boner and mase. Spurs fans go get your season tickets, i would if i lived in SA! Ill be there for a few though no doubt
Additions to negs and positives? throw em out there
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someone should just ban ducks. there's got to be a rule against never using punctuation or proper grammar of any sort 60,000 or more times.
First of all, Jackson is 31 and Mason is about 29 when the season starts.
On RealGM, there were discussions about Jackson being moved. Most Warrior fans just want expirings and a late first. Some modifications to save the Spurs some money could be made to serve our purposes.
Spurs send Mason, Bonner, Finley, 1st rounder top 23 protected and 2.5 million cash to Warriors for Stephen Jackson.
The Warriors then buy-out Finley and we sign him back to fill our shooter needs after he clears waivers.
This helps the Spurs cut lux tax while gaining more firepower and defense while helping GSW continue their rebuild and help them remove Jackson's contract.
i like how you use his D (defense) as a pro AND con:
-Can slack on D-His D is better than people think- look at his situations/teams he's been on, he was asked to mainly score. He knows he will have to play D if playing under pop again. And anyone who thinks he can't do that hasn't been watching. I've seen him play good to great defense over the last few years in spells-he is capable and his size causes problems.
He cancels out the Mavs/Lakers matchup problems
That enough is worth it
No thanks, I like being younger, and we have enough scoring capability to go around.
Cool, have a cookie for your troubles.
jackson 27% last playoffs
after logging big minutes
Peter Holt: Pop, no more 10mm+ guys pls...
Yep the whole point of the negatives was to refute them as i listed. And like i said earlier anyone who thinks he's some awful defender "hasn't been watching", because when he wants to play-which he would have to under pop, he can play some amazing D. I've seen him on the warriors plays kobe as hard as anyone has for a stretch of time....on the spurs he would be asked to do it the whole time-i have no doubts he would happily do it if he knew the team he's with is playing for is a championship contender. Jax at ude is great when put with the right mix of guy-we all have noticed he really does give a about his teammates-he would be amazing again. no doubt imo
I don't understand how some people reject the idea of Jax in the case of a trade for whoever outside the big 4 and Mcd.
Another negative of trading for Jax is the possibility of not being able to re-sign Manu when his contract is up. Holt (et al) may be willing to take a tax hit for this year and next, but Jackson's contract is probably a deal-breaker.
Manu is done with basketball when his contract is up.... he maybe done with walking by then
Manu is white. He will sign for less in order to stay in SA. If the FO has any doubts about Manu's health they better pull the trigger on SJax . I'd love to keep Bonner instead of Mahimni because he is a 6' 10' 3 point shooter. Ian might fit in better in a run and gun offense.
Spurs still have a lot of offensive options. They don't need another volume shooter but an efficient one. SJax isn't an efficient shooter. Even if SJax is a way better offensive talent than Mason, it won't translate with current Spurs roster.
SJax isn't a great defender but he is significantly better than Mason or Finley. However this upgrade isn't worth taking his huge contract.
could have sworn he was Argentinian
I doubt that. If he stays healthy this year which I still think he can be Manu has already said he wanted to play for a few more years. Yes I do there's a possibility though that Manu may end up playing somewhere else though after this season.Manu is done with basketball when his contract is up.... he maybe done with walking by then
well he's actually italian.
Jackson avg last year was 20-5-6.5
dont think so buddy, did you forget who were talking about here? manu has stated he sill has five more years!! i think its crazy, but seriously manu wont be done until a major injury imo
Add to that 3.9 TO's/game.Jackson avg last year was 20-5-6.5
True, but that was while playing a lot of point forward, 40 mpg, at that frenetic Warriors pace. On a per possession basis it wasn't a bad stat at all.
Are "white" people only from New Hampshire or something?
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