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play #5 was backcourt...
The video being on the right bugs me. lol
play #5 was backcourt...
Haislip has been brought in with a purpose - show us something on the defensive side against athletic forwards, hit your open shots - and if he does that, he could be the next in a long line of outside shooting big men (Pop always has one on the roster). Hailsip can add the windmill reverse layup to the above specifications (lol).
If he does a good job defending athletic PFs (West, Odom, Aldridge), he'll see plenty of time in some matchups. If not, he'll be warming the pine.
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Well that is not very fair. No one really guards those guys well. Bonner did not and he got PT. Bonner tried hard and had good moments, but he was over matched often by talent.
Hey, it's Pop who said to Duncan to come into the pre-season (or was it the season) out of shape. The guy isn't going to play a lot of minutes in the first half of the season. McDyess a year older than Duncan and with a history of having surgery done on his knees, is likely to do the same.
Just like last season, where Manu and Tony were out, the young guys are going to play.
Finally, Haislip is 28 years old with 2 years of NBA experience and like 4 years of Euroleague play. The man is going to play a head of any rookie like Mahinmi or Blair. He's also going to play ahead of any old vet like Ratliff. So I'm not going to be surprised to see Haislip take up the top 3 of minutes for the bigs.
Did he prove last year that he deserves all that playing time? No. Did he show up for the playoffs? No. He's proven that he's not a big time player. IMO he's either going to be involved in a trade or he's going to be one of the last men in the rotation. I never said that this was set in stone or will happen, but that IMO what will happen.
Haislip is a sleeper.
A little play on words
Just to play devil's advocate for a second, how exactly can you make a case for Haislip by saying Bonner's past "proves" that he's not deserving of minutes and won't show up in the playoffs when you could just as easily make a case that Haislip's past "proves" that he's not even good enough to be in the NBA?
That being said I agree with you that the Spurs will be trying to trade Bonner this year.
I don't think he's going to be in the top 3 of the rotation, but I think he'll be before Ratliff. I also think that he'll be ahead of Bonner, especially since I think Bonner is on his way out. I think the Spurs see something in Haislip. Maybe it is to guard those athletic big men, I'm not exactly sure. We've seen Pop get tired of other big men rather quickly, and I think the same thing will happen to Bonner. Like I said, I don't think Haislip is coming in to challenge for a starting job or even to be the first big man off the bench. I do think that he'll get plenty of playing time through the season and it will be more than Bonner and Ratliff. Of course, that is if he performs well in preseason, which I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.
newsflash to Spurs homers: Blair + Mahinmi haven't proven in the NBA. oh, and Ratliff is no more than a 12th man.
Unfortunately I really don’t think Marcus haslip will see a consistent enough play time to really show what he can do. Pop does have a tendency to put player in positions like that… but if he does get into the normal rotation hopefully he can be a good contributor
I'd say Ratliff is more of a "situational specialist" than he is a 12th man. Against the Lakers, Ratliff very well could be the 1st big off the bench. Against the Knicks he might not even play. His role will vary night to night depend on the specific matchup. But you are right in the sense that the Spurs can not make Ratliff a guy they hope to play 10-15 minutes a night over 82 games.
besides it not like they picked up the guy to be the "main man" just a minute man" for gosh sakes the man is 40 yr old.. LOL
I think Haislip is going to start the season behind Bonner in the rotation for no other reason than Bonner knowing the system and then it will be up to Haislip to show that he's more deserving of those minutes.
Ratliff is who im reffereing too. Not haslip
I know it's fashionable to hate on Bonner but I still find it unbelievable how people automatically take him out of the rotation and insert some unknown guy, who has done nothing in the NBA and whom they probably haven't even watched play other than youtube highlights. Maybe it's exactly because they haven't watched him play and he's a bit of a blank sheet with no bad plays and errors to remember but it still doesn't make sense.
Haislip will get his chance in pre-season to fight with Blair, Mahinmi and Bonner for minutes, but I'd be surprised if he gets more than garbage time during the season and especially the playoffs, whereas I'd expect from Bonner to get 15-20 mins unless he gets traded, as he's a much more proven player and a good fit for the system.
Good point.
I have am not jumping off the Bonner band wagon, but come un lets be real here on what other team in the league would Bonner start for.. No one. He started here becuase of lack of options offensively and Pop knew that. Bonner is not much more than a average backup, thats his role. Now it remains to be seen who may out play him for minutes this yr. But this team the spurs have will play much differntly then yrs past. So Bonner might be an odd man out.
If Anthony Tolliver can get multiple chances to earn minutes then I don't see why Haislip won't be given the same opportunity.
It's really up to him what he does with it.
Exactly. In November last season, Tolliver shot 6-28 from 3pt range while Bonner shot 14-27. Bonner's minutes went up while Tolliver's went down. Haislip is this year's Tolliver. He is, like Tolliver, completely unproven at the NBA level. It's entirely reasonable to project an early season audition for a place in the rotation. His play will determine if that audition leads to a regular gig..
Pop always gives his players chances to shine, so I don't know where some people are coming from..
everybody will get their shot at some point..
look at last season..
Tolliver got a shot..Farmer got a shot..Hairston got consistent minutes and ended up with the team..
Pop will give everybody a shot..it's up to them to prove themselves, and whether or not they deserve more minutes..there is going to be good compe ion for the big men spots after Duncan and 'Dice, and it should bring the best out in all of them..
That's why I see Bonner at the end of the bench or being traded. He had a whole season to prove himself, and I don't think he did a very good job of it. It's just my opinion, but I think he'll be the odd man out.
I will say that I don't think the trade is coming right away. I say by the trade deadline Matt Bonner is no longer on the team, if all the bigs stay healthy and can perform at a high level.
Tolliver, most likely, got a shot because the Spurs front line at the beginning of last season was in shambles. Thomas was injured in training camp and entered the season out of shape, Oberto was shuffled in and out with heart problems, and Mahinmi was injured for the entire season, so what were the alternatives? Duncan and Bonner weren't going to play every minute of every game obviously, and small ball can only be used in certain match-ups.
Granted, Haislip is more than likely a better player than Tolliver, but as of this writing, there's a healthy: Duncan, McDyess, Blair, Bonner, Ratliff, and Mahinmi, to contend with.
Haislip gives us additional depth at SF, and should be able to play some PF in a small lineup. No questioning the athletic ability, so it will just come down to at ude and BBall IQ.
Short, simple and entirely correct.
That's why you've got to see some finesse moves in his game. So when he does reverse layups, shoots in traffic and dribble penetrates past several players, those are all indicators of a game beyond raw talent.
So I just have to believe that his BB IQ improved while he was in Europe.
Now the big unknown is at ude. That's a trait of many Spurs players and let's hope he picks it up.
Though you just can't deny that Haislip adds a completely new dimension to the game that was sorely missing in previous years. That is, a guy who can get the easy basket via a alley hoop. Who was the last Spur player that could do that? David Robinson? Or was it the last play that James White ever made as a Spur?
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