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Wtf are you talking about? You were the one who brought PER up.
Na, I get why you argued against that point though, I said stat stuffing as in stats across the board. In the triangle, never see the PG score very many points, get very many assists, or really do anything that would positively effect PER. That's why I said a PG's PER is a bad gauge for how well they fit the triangle.
Wtf are you talking about? You were the one who brought PER up.
But he now expects to play an expanded role the PG can't successfully play in the triangle, so his ego gets in the way.
I was using PER as it pertains to Farmar vs Brown. You started an argument about "PER" in principle.
Maybe, but all things considered, I would rather have the better player and PG who has a better PER in the same system.
I don't think Farmar wants to be a 20PPG scorer, he wants to start and be in during crunch time.
I am not sure if that is the truth, but it is what it seems to me.
My animosity towards Nash is not nearly as comical as a Spurs fan trying to tell someone how good Steve Nash is.
But at this point, it is over. Nothing can be said really and we have to wait until next year. I was just saying, from before, I was surprised at how many Laker fans argued that Brown is a better point guard/player than Farmar.
Brown might have a better at ude/ego, but I don't think he is a better player overall. If Famar has the right at ude, he can be more valuable imo.
Lakers offensive efficiency rating w/ Brown ON the court: 115.9
Lakers offensive efficiency rating w/ Brown OFF the court: 113.8
Lakers defensive efficiency rating w/ Brown ON the court: 101.1
Lakers defensive efficiency rating w/ Brown OFF the court: 105.7
Lakers offensive efficiency rating w/ Farmar ON the court: 107.1
Lakers offensive efficiency rating w/ Farmar OFF the court: 116.8
Lakers defensive efficiency rating w/ Farmar ON the court: 105.5
Lakers defensive efficiency rating w/ Farmar OFF the court: 105.5
Give me the player who helps his team offensively over the player who helps himself offensively.
And if my uncle had a pussy, he'd be my aunt.
http://www.nba.com/statistics/plusmi...=9&team=Lakers
Farmar was on the Lakers "Best 5 Lineup" before Brown was. Look at the +/-
OK cool, so the fact the best lineup w/ Farmar > the best lineup w/ Brown negates everything else?
Naturally the +/- of the best lineup someone takes part in is gonna be good.
When you factor in everything though, it's as obvious as it gets that they're a better team offensively when Farmar is out of the game.
It shows you that Farmar was just as effective if not more. Fact is the Lakers had a better point differential with a lineup of:
Farmar, Kobe, Ariza, Odom and Gasol than they did with a comparable line ups with Brown. This is true for other combo's as well.
But why don't you include every other lineup with Farmar? Why are those irrelevant?
Fact: The Lakers score 9 points less per 100 possessions when Farmar is on the court than when he is off the court. Is that not true?
Yes, but that's only cause of minute differential.
The lineup of Farmer, Bryant, Ariza, Odom and Gasol outscored its opponent by 39 points in 142 minutes.
The lineup of Brown, Bryant, Walton, Odom and Gasol outscored its oppoent by 18 points in 28 minutes.
What's better? Outscoring your opponent by 18 points in 28 minutes, or by 39 points in 142 minutes?
You can't really compare Farmar's and Brown"s PER. SB hardly got any minutes with the Lakers last season.
Shannon Brown is still a bit of a prospect, but a damn good one.
How the Lakers Keep Farmar Happy
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Wait! Stop the canoes! Did Jordan Farmar just make a trade demand … from Singapore, of all places?
From the Canadian Press:
"I want to run a team and be the lead guard," Farmar said Tuesday on the sidelines of a basketball clinic in Singapore. "Hopefully, it can be here (with the Lakers). There's a lot of jobs out there. I feel I have a lot to offer."
Bombs , right? Farmar may not be as consistent as the Lakers, or he, would like. And certainly injuries have figured into that. But there's no question he brings a nice combination of physical gifts and braininess to the table. Since this is supposedly a league of PGs now, it's a good time to be Jordan Farmar.
Now, pay attention, fan, fellow writers, less hallowed organizations, and anyone else with spare time, a team to run, or the urge to find a story here. What came next sheds a lot of light on what separates champions from the rest of you. Or us. Or them. Or something. Anyway, read on:
"I've talked to Mitch a bunch of times and he says he's got a ton of offers and didn't consider trading me. It's just you have to entertain all the offers you get. Since I haven't got traded, it means they want me here."
"Derek's had a great run. He's probably going to be the guy starting off. I just want to continue to push him."
What allowed the Celtics to win 500 les in a row back before electricity was that they often incubated starters. The old guys took their last victory and by then, the young'un was chomping at the bit and more eager than ever to play like vets. They've paid dues, but had their egos stroked by coaches and management at the same time.
So Farmar knows he can be a starter. But Mitch doesn't want to trade him. Why is he cool with that? Because he respects Fisher, and knows that when the time comes, he'll be awarded that spot because not only could he be the man for someone—the best team in basketball wants him as their starting PG.
Simple, and yet deadly effective. That's the political capital of making the Finals one year, then winning a ring, then being in a good position to repeat. Teams worry about losing their personnel. The trick is to keep them feeling included, assuaged, and hungry.
Is he mad? Why is he saying this crap in my hometown? The only reason he is not traded yet cause he sucks and no one wants him.
and if u wouldnt be an asshole u wouldnt write that^
Which is why +/- isn't necessarily reliable in terms of individual impact.
Farmar shot himself in the foot with every other word there.
Talking about playing elsewhere, mentioning other trade offers, saying its tough to play with Kobe and on a good team.
So long, Jordan.
I'm glad he came out with this statement. Forces the Lakers to make a move now.
I never thought that he was the point guard of the future for the Lakers.
Brown is a better fit than Farmer. Farmer just makes too many boneheaded mistakes for my liking. Make a move Mitch.
Christ, they hand that PG job to Smush Parker (sight unseen) for two in' years of sheer agony, but, yet they won't give Farmar a straight shot. I can't reconcile it.
Exactly. One of the main success points of the triangle is it limits the amount of dumb mistakes and turnovers from the PG position. Phil Jackson isn't looking for a PG who loves making high risk, high reward decisions.
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