In theory there wouldn't be a problem with that.....but why change what just won it all?
And I wouldn't call it an "unfettered opportunity to fail", after one season with Smush, they pushed hard to get Sam Cassell, that woulda been the end of Smush. I understand you're frustration, Smush was so bad that he enabled Nash to run around and double team not having to worry about "guarding" anyone, my problem with what you're saying is you act like they were willing to sink or swim with Smush, when I don't think Phil ever had any long term plans involving Smush.
It was two years of Smush, DUNCAN, not one. And two years is "long term" in the NBA scheme of things. Parker had no business being anywhere near an NBA court.
And I'd like an accounting of the whole f'in fiasco. Was it Kupchak? Was it Phil? We sank two straight years primarily because of Smush.
Because Fisher's tank is on empty. Give Farmar his chance to fail. If he does, then we'll know. If he prospers then we're fortified with him starting and Fisher held in reserve. But, Farmar is deserving of a legitimate shot (like Parker got) from the beginning of a season, not once the playoffs start like in his rookie season.
I know it was two years, I'm saying the only reason it wasn't one year is cause they couldn't pry Cassell away from the Clippers, he was extremely close to signing with the Lakers. The off season they signed Smush, they tried extremely hard to move up to #3 in the draft to get Deron Williams. Smush clearly wasn't their first choice. They were by no means content with Smush, but they weren't about to give a mediocre PG a long term MLE contract merely cause he's better than Smush, when they would still have no shot at contending. We both know that they had no shot in at contending those two years with Smush, and those reasons went far beyond Smush.
In raw theory, yes, "they had no shot in at contending those two years with Smush"---but, any time you have Bryant, in conjunction with no powerhouse in evidence, then you have (a chance). Anything can happen at any time. Bryant knew that...though he did forsake it when he quit in Game 7.
I somewhat get where you're coming from there since the 2006 Heat and 2007 Spurs would get chewed up and spit out by almost all other championship teams in recent history.......but no team starting Luke Walton at SF and Kwame Brown at center is winning .
True, and let's face it, admittedly I wanted to beat the Suns those years. That in and of itself would've been tantamount to an NBA Championship to me personally. So my beliefs in this event are clouded & skewed. I wanted to beat them so badly and Smush Parker was the chief reason why I couldn't. It psychological with me I think.
And yer right: Walton & Brown aren't starting materiel. Phil tried a similar bent with Brown that he'd tried with Parker= treat him like "a star" and he'll possibly rise to the occasion. Christ, I remember in '07 they were posting that Brown up time & again like he was something. The poor thing was in so deep over his head.
I just wish before they jettison Farmar they'd grant him similar treatment.
Here's the thing, Smush Parker did nothing to earn this two year window you keep referring to, and Jordan Farmar has done nothing to earn the right to start, he's actually given Phil reason to believe letting him start would be a bad idea. Two wrongs don't make a right, Smush getting an undeserved chance to start doesn't mean Farmar should.
For 4 years, Fish did his job as a backup. He didn't , he didn't play selfishly, he played within himself. In 2000, he knew that even though he might be younger and better than Ron Harper, Ron Harper has proven himself and Phil isn't about to put him in over a PG who he knew he could trust. In 2001, once Harper's body broke down, Fisher got the chance to start once he was healthy after 4 years of doing his job as a reliable backup. That's the mentality Farmar should have.
Yer talking about 10 years ago. That's a different NBA, different players, different "rules", different code of conduct. That horse has already left the barn. It will do you no good to shut the barn door now. Similar to the Rubio situation: everybody wants Rubio to "do what's right" when he's been taught that doing it "wrong" will net him his goal. Now we want Farmar to follow the model set by Fisher when Farmar sees a different model being used today that shortcuts to the finish line. Like the steriods use in sports. How long can the honest players hold out while the cheaters are taking the jobs because they're cheating?
10 years or not, its the same mentality Shannon Brown had.
And players have used steroids in sports ever since steroids were invented.
Culburn369 - you're trying too hard to be right. You're wrong. Just admit it and move on.
And even though he is right that tons of players have the same horrid sense of en lement Farmar has, you don't see coaches that are perennial winners putting up with their , and you NEVER see them giving into their demands.
I say let cut Fish's minutes but let him start and end games, and give Farmar the majority of the minutes he'd normally be playing, followed by Shannon. I just want him to have an opportunity to fail or succeed in his contract year, if he doesnt rise to the occasion, go back to the regular rotation. But give him the chance.
Whoa! Shannon Brown has served no apprenticeship in Los Angeles. Farmar has served 3 years. Give him a legit shot before you toss him out the door.
Thank, you.
Except I'd let Farmar start & end the games until he's made his mark, good OR bad.
To me Brown is not to be considered in this equation as a viable option. This is Farmar and Fisher finding their consideration as the starter & backup respectively. Why should Brown be granted on?
Being paid millions to play basketball isn't "serving anything". In 3 years, Farmar has played for LA, collected money, and has done nothing to become a better player than he was his rookie year.
Cause he was effective in the playoffs. Also, I don't know why people are so sure Farmar is a naturally more talented player than Brown.
They were taken back to back in the same draft (Brown going first), when Farmar probably wouldn't have been a 1st round pick if not for a UCLA March Madness run that inflated his draft value.
In trace exposure.
The fact that Shannon Brown was able to crack the PG rotation in the tri even though he was in LA only a couple of months and get playoff PT in every critical game shows how hard he had to work and how Farmar wasn't cutting it.
This is Phil, who values the triangle over everything, especially defense.
Brown talking about how easy the offense was because he knew his role compared to Farmar ing about it tells the entire story.
Farmar could be a good NBA player but not in LA under the present cir stances.
That's the easy answer.
I agree with this. Farmar had the opportunity to work on his weakness and fit in with the triangle. He had his chance already and it's not working. He's too small, he's too much like a shoot first PG, and he still makes terrible decisions. No disrespect to other Lakers fans but he had the opportunity to shine and he failed. Time to move on.
Farmar has never been given a solid sampling of continuous games in which to prove himself. It just has not happened. I'm sure there are reasons we're not privy to. And there is "office politics" as well. I don't blame him for stating his case. It's the way things are done now in professional sports, across the spectrum. If it's ok for everyone else (albeit not a Laker) to air their dirty laundry then it should be hunky & dory for Farmar to hang & air his as well.
Bull . Farmar has been given plenty of opportunities to prove himself. And he has proven himself to be a selfish player who's ego is a lot bigger than his game. He makes bonehead plays by trying to do way too much instead of playing within the team game. When the coaching staff tries to tell him something he yells at them and gives at ude like a little ass diva. This dumbo lookin mother er thinks he's a star when he's nothing but a scrub. That's why Brown is going to take all of his minutes.
bald, off on a tangent.
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