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We got enough bigs. You can't just scrap the wings.
Okay folks, looks like we got 3 players with expiring contracts* that may be worth trading this season:
Roger Mason $3,780,000
Matt Bonner $3,256,500
Michael Finley $2,500,000
But if you took a good look at our depth chart, you'll notice that 2 of the 3 players are way down in this 'hypothetical' depth chart:
PG - Tony Parker - George Hill - Marcus E. Williams
SG - Roger Mason - Manu Ginobili - Malik Hairston
SF - Richard Jefferson - Marcus Haislip - Michael Finley -
PF - Antonio McDyess - DeJuan Blair - Matt Bonner -
C - Tim Duncan - Ian Mahinmi - Theo Ratliff
Here's my case against these 3:
Mason - Despite having a very quick release and accurate shot, he doesn't play big enough and simply doesn't have enough talent to take it to the next level in playoff basketball. Nothing he does in the regular season can indicate that he can deliver in the playoffs.
Bonner - Good character guy and hits a good percentage. Unfortunately, he's a liability in defense and can't hit the important shot in playoff time. He also unlike Mason can't hit the 3 when he's covered.
Finley - Likely the most reliable 3pt shooter for us last year during the playoffs. Unfortunately, when he catches the ball inside the 3, he doesn't have the capability to take it to the rim. Also, he's likely to be one of those near-retirement players that get signed, waived and resigned to their old team. Among the 3, he's the most valuable come playoff time.
The Spurs have yet to indicate that they are NOT done trading. So what plug do we need to fill and who's out there with an outrageous salary to fill it?
There are 2 big holes in our lineup:
(1) Big (I mean, at least 6'11") who can defend centers. (Which could mean we also trade Mahinmi)
(2) Backup point guard who can really handle the ball. (Which could mean we also trade Hill)
Ground rules, must be from a team that's not a contende.Must be a player with a non-expiring contract and outrageous salary.
For (1) potential targets are:
Troy Murphy - $11m - 6'11" deadly 3pt accuracy. PER 17.81
Andris Biedrins - $9m for 4 more years! 6'11" quick. PER 19.6
DeSagana Diop - $6.5m for 4 more years! 7'0" good shot blocker no offense. PER 9.75
Nenad Kristic - $5m for 2 more years. 7'0" Gutsy player and reliable mid range jumper. Wobbly knees. PER 13.6
Andrei Kirilenko - $16.5+ for 2 more years! 6'9" great defender. Multi-dimensional player.
Chris Kaman - $10-12m for 3 years. 7'0" PER 14.51
-- Really expensive territory here, but Murphy looks like the best deal.
For (2) potential targets are:
Kirk Hinrich - $9.5m for 3 years.
Monta Ellis - $11m for 5 years.
-- Pickings are slim. We could have picked up Watson or Sessions during the offseason.
In summary, if we want don't want to go into a big time financial hole then it's likley we can't fill our holes. Hill and Mahinmi have to deliver!
*There's always of course (gasp!) Manu Ginobili's $10,728,130 contract.
Last edited by ceperez; 09-06-2009 at 06:50 AM.
We got enough bigs. You can't just scrap the wings.
do you want them to email you personally and let you know that they're done trading?
seriously. it's stupid when fans are complaining that the FO doesn't do enough...and then when they DO enough, they complain that it's still not enough.
I just can't take you seriously with Marcus Haislip in your depth chart at SF before Michael Finley.
I think the Spur's FO has one more move in them.They know what they'll get frp, the Big 4 and Dice. They know Fins, Matt and Roger's limitations. They don't know what they can count on from Mahimni Haipslip, Blair, Williams, Hairston and Hill. If the last six can't take minutes from the middle three then I think the Spurs make a move after training camp.
we just need another quality wing
calm down, spaz.
Who would you suggest?
Or Mahinmi before Ratliff.
Actually, that's the exact depth chart I'm hoping we have by the middle of the season; of course it will require that Haislip shows he can play small forward and Mahinmi and Blair are reliable enough for significant minutes.
And I think Mason will be better this year if he's not expected to play point guard, I would avoid trading him as much as possible. I think hitting half a dozen clutch shots during the season will translate to similar capabilities in the playoffs, assuming he's playing comfortably in his position (catch and shoot).
Hopefully if the Spurs discover a need sometime during the season they can fill it with a trade of Bonner and Finley (and possibly a 1st or 2nd round pick). I want to see everyone play for a month or so though to get an idea of their abilities.
That's some damn weird thinking.
To sum up what you say:
1) Spurs have a hole at backup PG.
2) I pick some trade targets with bad contracts.
3) I conclude that Spurs have to stick with Hill.
I fail to get what you are trying to prove. Either you are fine or not with Hill as backup PG. If you aren't, they are reasonable trade options available that you could propose.
lmao @ haslip in front of Finley in depth chart.
jesus! what a nonsense. those guys with those contracts as our back up PGs.
why didn't you even put Arenas on this list?
We shouldn't trade RMJ, he's too good of a shooter. Remember he's just been with the team for 1 year, not only that but dude is clutch.
He's dangerous wide open, he's also a guy we don't have to worry about getting in trouble on or off the court. This guy even took a pay cut to sign back with the Wizards, he's a loyal player. He doesn't play for the money he plays to win. Keep him.
The only way I'd trade Finley is if we can get a better SF than him, no SG's we've got enough of those.
Bonner-Trade his ass lmao. I'm sure his trade value has gone up significantly last season. Not sure who we'd get for him though.
The only player the spurs would trade for is Krstic. He's the only one with a reasonable contract and paying 8+ Million for a backup center is just not worth the trouble. Thunder won't let Krstic go, so there's no room for speculations.
all three of those guys are dead weight. i'd be happy to see them go. someone needs to save popovich from himself: despite all the good moves the spurs have made this season, popovich would probably still start scrub ass michael finley and worthless scrub matt bonner.
The only big likely available (if) from OKC is Nick Collison, but since we have enough bigs, even that's unlikely.
But I'd be surprised if a move is made before the start of training camp.
The Spurs shouldn't make any moves until we all see how the current squad plays.
No need to trade them yet. Unlike last season, I believe Roger Mason and Matt Bonner
will be able to be successful as role players. They could both be very effective in certain situations without having to carry as much as they did last season. The Spurs are in a very different position this year. With Manu, Tony, TD and RJ healthy everyone can just do their job. We asked too much of Bonner and Mason last season for their respective abilities. 09/10 is a whole new ballgame.
Mason's not going anywhere. If the Spurs do anything it will probably be nothing more than a cash dump move around the trade deadline involving Finley or Bonner so that they can save some luxury tax money.
I wouldn't be surprised to see the Spurs make another move to bolster the roster if they see they are 1 more rotational piece from contending against the elites as the season plays out.
All three are good role players giving Pop different dimensions to work with. Their knowledge of the system, and of the roles they are expected to play, will help improve our winning percentage in the first half of the season as the rest of the new guys are indoctrinated. No trades between now and January. They are not playing fantasy league basketball... role players matter! (see Bruce Bowen's body of work circa 2001-09).
I'd go sign Brevin knight as a 3rd string if hill has trouble. And a bigman is much in need. Troy Murphy is a great rebounder/3pt shooter. Thats what spurs wanted out of bonner. However he is not much of a defender or shotblocker. The spurs need a 7footer before anything else. A big man who grabs rebounds and block shots. Its kinda hard to get everything you want in a C without paying good money or them being injury prown ( kaman ). If a Defensive C is in the paint he can get dunks and layups, While Tim takes a few more Jumpshots than normal ( Which he did last year anyways ). Then you have Parker/Mason Jr./RJ/Duncan doing the scoring. Off the bench you have Mcdyess as your 4 who can stretch the floor so the C still wont be hurting you offensively cause you have 4 guys that can score.
"Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away".
Agree entirely that we want to see EVERYONE play.
But you got to all remember that the Spurs have ONLY ONE GOAL, and that is to WIN IT ALL. It does not matter how well we do in the regular season, what matters is what we do in the playoffs.
That's why Mason and Bonner are simply not going to cut it. Also, it's likely that Finley will not have the luxury of playing time with RJ in the lineup. I also would rather have Haislip at the SF rather than Finley. His size is much more disruptive. Finley on the other hand is content to wait in the 3pt line in offense furthermore he's a liability defensively.
Now we absolutely need someone who can run point when parker is on the bench. See, the key to winning is that our stars are well rested come playoff time and come 4th quarter time. Hill is terrific defensively and has good offensive potential, but to be real honest he can't handle the ball like a point!
Unbelievable.
Mason and Bonner won't cut it, but Haislip will?
Haislip at SF? He is a PF who was a poor defender against slower players in Europe and you assume he can guard NBA SFs?
As a Spurs fan, I truly hope Haislip turns into some crazy hybrid clone of Bowen and Horry, but everything in his history suggests he is more likely to wind up playing the role once played by Sean Marks; practice big.
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