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Drops woman off. Refills wallet at ATM. Hmmm.
http://www.reason.com/blog/show/135857.html
Developing story in Georgia, where church pastor Jonathan Ayers was shot and killed by undercover narcotics officers during a botched drug sting on Tuesday afternoon. Ayers was not the target of the investigation.
Police were apparently after a woman Ayers had dropped off just prior to stopping at the convenience store where police confronted him. Surveillance video shows a black SUV pulling up to the store, and plain-clothes officers jumping out with their guns drawn before the vehicle has stopped. Ayers' car then backs into the picture, and the officers fire into his car as he drives off. Ayers was shot in the liver, crashed his car a short distance later, and died at the hospital from the bullet wound.
A police spokesperson says the officers identified themselves as they got out of the truck, though even if they did, it isn't difficult to see how someone in Ayers' position might panic when confronted with armed, plain-clothes men who'd just jumped from a black SUV. He had also just returned from getting money from the store's ATM. There were no drugs in Ayers' car.
Ayers leaves behind a wife who is four months pregnant.
Drops woman off. Refills wallet at ATM. Hmmm.
^ Still no reason for cops to get trigger happy. They could have made an arrest while he was in store.
I wonder if they revealed themselves as officers, if not then they are in even bigger trouble. Even if they did, there's no reason to fire into the vehicle.
in trigger happy pigs.
If you hire a man to do police work, you might get a decent police. You hire a man to fight a war against poor people and you get a soldier who lacks even the basic common sense that is needed to, y'know, not kill innocent bystanders.
Don't go to a blog for the complete story. They tend to edit to fit their agenda.
cnn story
I'm as hard on the cops as anyone, but hitting a cop with your car and continuing to attempt to flee at any cost is a justifiable scenario for firearm use. My guess is he was out getting some trim for pay. He thought it was a John bust and panicked because of his position in the community.The officers saw the woman in a car with Ayers and saw what they believed was a drug transaction, Bankhead said. They followed the car as Ayers dropped the woman off at a gas station.
The undercover officers wanted to question Ayers about what they had just seen, he said. "They approached the vehicle. They were in plain clothes. They identified themselves as police officers, which civilian witnesses say happened. They also had badges around their necks."
Ayers put the car in reverse and backed up, striking an officer, Bankhead said.
According to Bankhead, Ayers then put the car into drive, and another officer fired into the car, hitting Ayers, because he thought his life was in danger.
You're overlooking a critical detail - they were in civi clothing. He had no idea he was running over a cop, indeed he probably thought he was fleeing armed robbers.
I agree. There are bad cops out there. They need to be strung up by their trigger fingers. We have our share of them here in Portland.
I only wonder if he was related to William Charles Ayers?
Plain clothes huh. I probably would have struck a plain clothed armed man regardless of whether he identified himself as an officer or not. How do you know for sure.
Looking at the video, I'd say he thought he was trying to get away from a car jacking.
Surveillance Video Shows Moments Before Shooting
, I would have hit reverse too.
That's exactly what I thought. I've read plenty of stories where people are hijacked, robber, or something to that effect because they pull over for a "plain clothed" cop.
"Stephen County Sheriff Randy Shirley revealed To WYFF News (Greenville, SC) that the woman inside Ayers’ car was arrested for selling drugs and it was proved that she was a drug dealer. Georgia Bureau Of Investigation (GBI) Spokesman John Bankhead said that Ayers of Shoal Creek Baptist Church in Lovania was not the target of the undercover officers carrying out the drug sting operation."
This is America, Every Problem is Solved With A Gun. 2nd Amendment and all that prextext excuses.
How were the trigger-happy police threatened by a car driving away from them?
Backing up in order to pull away is more understandable than backing up to target a cop, whom the driver may not have seen.
A clear case of excessive fatal force in the face of no mortal threat or violence.
Last edited by boutons_deux; 09-07-2009 at 10:57 AM.
Right, they're running at him in civilian clothing, with badges around their necks, identifying themselves as cops, and he didn't think they were cops. Weak sauce, even for you z0sa. Your "logic" says that you only have to respond to officers in uniform, because anyone else may be a crook that's pretending. Without undercover work, there is no policing vice.
How would the guy know that those are real badges? It's not like those things are hard to come by. That still doesn't give them the ok to shoot into the vehicle.
For all you who say he was merely backing up, that video says otherwise. He was hauling ass. I have never gone taht fast in reverse while simply pulling out of a spot.
If he was so worried about them not being real officers, why run? He was in a crowded envoronment, a freaking gas station in the middle of the day! And he was white, for all the people who always make things about race. I'd rather take my chances of getting jacked for what little cash I had on me than get shot and killed.
Whether or not the officers properly identified themselves is probably going to be the main focus here. Supposedly witnesses claim the officers did and they had badges around their necks. What else are they to do?
It does look like the driver in the Avalanche or whatever the Caddy version of it is called, did start to try to ram the car as it was backing up and then stopped. That would have seemed to be a more viable option of stopping him than shooting.
Also had they chased him and someone had been hit and killed, all the same people on here bashing the cops would be bashing them for not stopping him in the parking lot and letting him haul ass away and run over some grandma crossing the road or some .
So, are you saying you only have to respond to cops in uniform?
They shot into the vehicle because he hit a cop with it.
"A war against poor people"
You love that Conflict Theory don't you.
They ed up that bust though. Shooting into a vehicle rarely works the way it is intended to. And in the middle of a crowded gas lot? That is some ty discretion if no exigent cir stances were involved.
Last edited by BadMoodBob; 09-07-2009 at 12:29 PM.
Where was the Taser?
They generally don't work through glass.
This one does.
PHaSR
Personnel Halting and Stimulation Response rifle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personn...Response_rifle
That's great justification for killing a guy. You see guys running at you with guns what are you going to do? I'm not going to sit there and get shot. I'm going to do my best to get out of the situation. Like I stated before, people can get badges anywhere. I've read numerous stories where people have gotten hurt/killed/robbed by plain clothed "cops." It was idiotic to shoot at into the vehicle.
Who the looks - or cares - for a badge when you're being surrounded by plain clothes gunmen at a gas station? This wasn't a routine traffic stop, guy. This was a sudden ambush on the unsuspecting.
And weaksauce is completely overlooking the reason why he bolted in the first place.
LOL why didnt they shoot the tyres?
instead went for the victim...
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