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blah, blah, blah..bull . The corruption of the state,and it's hunger for power is what people are questioning not it's structure.
Nice appeal to authority, btw.
If the masses want it otherwise, they can try to amend the Cons ution.
blah, blah, blah..bull . The corruption of the state,and it's hunger for power is what people are questioning not it's structure.
The SC gets to say what the law is. Nothing is more settled than that, really.
Habeas and Common Article 3 of Geneva apply.
[QUOTE=Winehole23;3672394]The SC gets to say what the law is. Nothing is more settled than that, really.[/QUOTE Man you love authority... the people decide.The future is unwritten.
It's not like a president hasn't packed the supreme court before to promote his own agenda.
I'm sure in another lifetime, if things had just worked out better You'd had enjoyed being a cons utional lawyer but to quote dirty harry a man's got to know his limitations.
Of course you sympathize with the violent enforcer who holds himself apart from the rules. America loves violence and revenge. That's why Dirty Harry is so popular.
What I do suits me fine, BTW. I have no desire to be a cons utional lawyer, nor any shame of my passing familiarity with the lawless policy of our government in the area under discussion here, or the legal repercussions.
Is it wrongheaded somehow to keep abreast of the abuses of essential and foundational liberties?
We are not just talking about guys from Gitmo, but American citizens, like in the OP.
You're the one who worships the raw power of the state, micca. Your resentment of judicial equality proves it.
As well as your full-throated endorsement of lawless executive practices like torture and arbitrary detntion.
Last edited by Winehole23; 09-07-2009 at 12:51 AM.
No it's wrongheaded to keep counting how many angles can dance on the head of a pin, while rome burns.You can squat on your haunches and unravel gordians knot if it amuses you,but don't ask it to be taken for anything more than amusement.
This is a current events forum. What the are you talking about?
Instead of discussing the topics, you hoist up your own ignorance as a shield. Pathetic. your substantive replies in the thread are just about zero. All you do is change the subject.
And be snide to posters.
Your only hope is the SC. Politically, nobody will give a crap about this. The Dems because it's Obama motorized legislation, the Reps because it's "national security".
Yes, basically. I can think of maybe one other person in this forum who seems to give a crap.
"Democratic corruption and hunger for power"..
All you do is cherry pick the net, with psuedo intellectual elitist hogwash and then prance about saying "what a clever boy am I".
Well, it certainly seems to know no bounds.
What you call pseudo-intellectual hogwash I would call rudimentary knowledge. I guess your unfamiliarity with the basics makes you contemptuous of them. Anything that has failed to penetrate your consciousness is elitist. And contemptible.
What I find striking is how easily earned your populist bona fides is. It is based on the very ignorance you are quick to ascribe to everyone else too. Pitiful.
Your losing streak proceeds unbroken, micca. It must be tiresome getting pantsed continually in this forum. But maybe I give you too much credit. You are probably oblivious to it. You probably think you're winning.
Last edited by Winehole23; 09-07-2009 at 05:44 PM.
Orin Kerr in Volokh.
I would hope you're referring to myself. Though I think Marcus might care as well.
I was. Others may care, but they seldom bother to speak up about it.
Marcus can speak for himself, but he is against pretty much anything that strengthens the state against free citizens. I would guess he's against making the President jailer- and interrogator-in-chief.
Count me in as one who cares. I've had my share of arguments about this topic.
It's actually very disappointing that I was right when I said they had no evidence at all to detain a bunch of those peeps. I wanted to be wrong and believe they did things right. Silly me.
The overreaction of the Repugs, the head Exec branch, from 9/12 on was based on the Repugs KNOWING they were guilty of being caught with their NatSec pants down, while they were supposed to be the party strong on national defense.
They KNEW if it happened again, they wouldn't be able to lie their way out of it, nor count on the benefit of the doubt by Americans, nor hermetically seal up their negligence for "national security" reasons, as they did for their still-secret/unknown anti-terror actions 1/20 - 9/11, which the Van Jones pe ion simply asked to be unsealed.
The Repugs knew that if the Van Jones pe ion's target was achieved, the Repugs would be for decades.
They violated the US Cons ution and the Geneva Conventions to cover they sorry, incompetent, venal, BigOil-y asses.
Last edited by boutons_deux; 09-08-2009 at 12:08 PM.
Arbitrary detention is not an epiphenomenon of Van Jones's pe ion drive. There's an existing thread on Jones. ^^^ post belongs there IMO.
Maybe one day people will realize we imprisoned a lot of people who were innocent, and then further, recognize why that's a bad thing. I'm not holding my breath, though. After all, they're suspected terorrists, and they weren't American citizens in most cases. Why should we bother with their rights?
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