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That video was plain. Badges are small, and you cannot assume he heard them, or even believed they were cops.
One or more of those cops need to rot in jail.
were the cops black? there's gotta be a race angle here somewhere if we look hard enough.
That video was plain. Badges are small, and you cannot assume he heard them, or even believed they were cops.
One or more of those cops need to rot in jail.
Yeah, anyone including ecstatic would have done the same thing if a black avalanche rolled up with white tee'd men brandishing firearms in the side of the parking lot. It was only a couple, too, further making it seem like a straight out armed robbery with a getaway driver. I couldn't see badges from the camera, either, and the gunmen weren't exactly dots on the horizon.
Besides, ecstatic has yet to explain WHY exactly Ayers ran. He didn't have drugs in the car. The person they were actually ing after is female and not on the scene. Why did he run, except for self-preservation? And why did they even consider firing at him?
After watching the surveillance footage, I definitely don't think the guy was trying to run over the officer. He backed up fast, probably saw two men running at him with guns and got scared, then drove off. I see nothing wrong with what he did. Now he's dead because they decided to shoot up his car. Pathetic.
You're a dumbass. If you hit a police officer with a vehicle, it is treated as assault with a deadly weapon. At that point, the cops can defend themselves.
Trigger happy, lmao.
And why's that? Northern Ga. pastor in the big city, in an obvious drug and pros ution area. Why should he be surprised to be busted by real cops?
Let me lay out my theory. He's in the company of this young woman who's the target, or at least a person of interest in an ongoing drug investigation. Now, what do many young women with drug habits do to support those habits? That's right. Pros ution. He goes into the store to refill his wallet after, uh, giving her his testimony, comes out, gets into his car, and is accosted by the cops, WHO HE KNOWS ARE COPS, and he panics, hits one of them with his car, and gets shot. A tragedy, but a preacher-caused tragedy.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,...e=fnc/us/crimeBankhead said agents approached Ayers after he dropped a woman off at a store in downtown Toccoa, which is about 90 miles northeast of Atlanta. The passenger was the person being investigated by the task force.
A grainy surveillance video from a nearby store shows two drug task-force agents emerge from a black SUV before Ayers' small car backs up. The two men fire into the passenger side of Ayers' car, and then it takes off with the agents running behind it, the video posted on WNEG-TV in Toccoa shows. The station owner would not release the video to The Associated Press.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/04/...hot/index.htmlThe officers saw the woman in a car with Ayers and saw what they believed was a drug transaction, Bankhead said. They followed the car as Ayers dropped the woman off at a gas station.
The undercover officers wanted to question Ayers about what they had just seen, he said. "They approached the vehicle. They were in plain clothes. They identified themselves as police officers, which civilian witnesses say happened. They also had badges around their necks."
No drugs and nothing else illegal was found in Ayers' car, Bankhead said,
The second bold part doesn't match up with the surveillance video. It shows two officers running towards Ayers vehicle. If they just wanted to talk to Ayers, why not just walk cordially up to the vehicle? Why did they run towards him? Why did they have their weapons drawn?
I disagree with that statement.
Did you watch the video? The entire event transpires in less than 10 seconds. He's in his car, a black Avalanche (which IMO isn't a known cop vehicle like some Ford/Dodge models are) suddenly rolls right behind him, two gunmen exit, he sees what's happening and reverses, he nails a cop going about 10mph backwards and the cop actually doesn't get much of a hit from the car, he stops for about 2 seconds where he was probably shot, and drives away.
In 10 seconds, all that happens, and then he speeds away to go crash and ultimately die. You really don't think in all likelihood he had no clue these guys were cops? Your bad neighborhood logic is the worst yet, as well. If its a bad area, unmarked civilians brandishing guns will almost never be undercover cops, don't you agree?
I mean, even after all that, if he was convinced they were cops he'd have stopped when he got shot, right? I mean, why keep running for your life if you know there's cops that will save you in spite of whatever crime you just committed against them?
I don't agree. Maybe one person would brandish a fake badge, but I've never heard of a group impersonation, all with badges, to get the proceeds of one ATM transaction. And does he really think he's going to get away from bad guys in his car without getting shot? If you flee while hitting people, either way, you're getting shot. If you stop, there's like a 99% chance it's the cops showing badges, en masse, and you're just down for a bust. The smart play is to not run if you haven't done anything. That's why I think he was looking at a John bust. He thought somehow that running was better than getting busted and the embarrassment to his congregation and family. It wasn't.
Some Cops may be stupid, but they don't gang bum rush you without yelling POLICIA. If you are going to rush an alleged Drug-Dealer in a vehicle (possibility of concealed weapons) the cops would be more inclined to make their profession known assuming the possible armed drug-dealer would be less interested in getting into a gun fight outnumbered against well-armed law enforcement. Not having to wear a uniform is a privilege. When you go from low rank patrol man to non-uniformed officer, they know they can't go around waving guns without blatantly declaring their profession. Surely they are not so stupid as to be promoted into Vice and not understand how that would look.
It was just a horrible time & place to do the bust. Since law enforcement had control over that aspect, they ed it up. This is obviously an opinion of someone who knows nothing of the true details.
Last edited by BadMoodBob; 09-07-2009 at 07:37 PM.
So he bolted as quick as he could to hide what exactly? He wasn't guilty of anything except association, but he's a pastor. That could easily have been written off as an attempt to lead a lost lamb to the light.
But that works under the assumption that after taking money out of the atm, in your car, you are able to see a gun and in a matter of seconds, not even 5, produce a safe response. Which also means that, keeping all of the above in mind, that person's mental ability to reason will not be affected by the shock.
If that were to happen to me the only way i don't hit reverse is if I freeze. It wouldn't be a thought out response, It would a lack of response.
Dude probably just got rattled and decided to get the out of there.
Why did they wait until after he got in his car to take him down? Don't they have the Columbo light?
Why didn't they just pull him over down the road?
Let me play devil's advocate here. It's possible to steal or manufacture one of those, so it's OK to flee and cause accidents and hurt people because it could be bad guys faking being cops.
Because they're working a drug ring sting, and they have NO ING IDEA he's just a preacher? This isn't random dude they want to ask questions of. He had contact with a subject in their investigation in a manner that suggested illegal activity. In a drug bust, you ALWAYS have your guns unholstered and safeties off.
Do you have any idea how drug enforcement police work is done? Because your question seems sort of stupid, in a pollyanna-ish naive way.
They've already said that they just want to ask questions. They handled the situation improperly. They rushed the car, with weapons drawn for no reason. They are responsible for this man's death, whether you like it or not. It's not a naive question. Actually, it's a very legitimate question. Why not call for backup? It doesn't make sense for them to rush at him when he WAS NOT the suspect or the person in question. It was also in the middle of the day, at a gas station. This "bust" wasn't happening at a house. They handled it wrong, and now a man is dead because of it.
Do you know how to get a drug suspect to answer questions? You rush with force, subdue, restrain, take them down to the station, and ask your questions. Anything short of that leads to the suspect running away at best, and a shootout with cops at worst. Anytime they are working narcotics, cops are in constant danger. They're not going to just stroll up to a car, and yes that does make you naive.
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/20696049/detail.htmlGeorgia Bureau of Investigation spokesman John Bankhead said a passenger in Jonathan Paul Ayers' car was under investigation, but the 28-year-old pastor of Shoal Creek Baptist Church in Lavonia was not a target in the probe.
The shooting occurred after Ayers dropped the woman off at a store in downtown Toccoa Wednesday afternoon.
"They didn't know who he was," Bankhead said. "That's why they wanted to question him. There were witnesses around."
There were witnesses all around yet the still opened fire on the car? Not very smart. They're lucky no one else was injured.
Yes rushing a vehicle is a the way to get him to answer questions.Running at them at guns isn't going to cause a shootout? I understand they're in danger, hence the calling for backup. Or at least doing more leg work and not try and go after the guy military style. It was a stupid move. Irresponsible. There were better ways of handling the situation.
Why did he continue fleeing after they shot him? Why did he flee in the first place?
Georgia..
Uh, it was like a 10 foot shot. They're not missing that.
Even gang bangers are smart enough to never walk up to a car they don't know in a bad neighborhood. Someone can shoot right through the door and kill you on the spot.
Because they shot him and I think he was a John, but we'll never know unless the girl talks.
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