I wanted to wait until after camp and preseason to judge the draft but it's apparent the draft was horrible. They either can't stay healthy or just plain suck. And wasting the 1st pick of the 4th round on Stephen McGee, who isn't even as good as Rudy Carpenter, was just the icing on the cake.
McGee is better than Carpenter. This draft will be looked upon as decent in the future. Jason Williams is a good player, Victor Butler could be a good player, though he'll mainly be a special teams guy right now, and McGee will be good in the future, IMO. Sure, we had to dump a couple, but I think McGee is going to be better than we think, and Williams and Butler could be good picks. We didn't have a 1st or 2nd round pick...for what we had, we didn't do horribly.
McGee is horrible. Carpenter looked much more composed and in control during his time than McGee has looked at any time since high school.
Williams and Butler could be serviceable, but not much better.
They did have a 2nd rounder. They squandered it for multiple garbage picks.
Horrible draft.
McGee is better than Carpenter. If Carpenter was better, they would have kept him. Carpenter was throwing 5-10 yard out and in routes against a 3rd string Vikings defense. Let's not crown him. McGee has a lot of promise...just needs more time.
Cowboys kept McGee only because he's the draft pick not because he's better. If Carpenter was the pick they would have kept him. I'm not saying Carpenter is great, but he's better than McGee. McGee can't stay healthy and when he played looked lost without any composure whatsoever. Which is what he looked like at A&M
I disagree that Carpenter was better than McGee. Carpenter didn't have very much accuracy, didn't have enough arm strength, and it looked like he wasn't confident or was extremely nervous. McGee looked pretty good from the game action I saw and what I saw from him during training camp.
A team is not going to keep a player at an important position like QB just because he's "the pick." If that was the case, Tony Romo would not be our quarterback right now. He did not throw well at A&M most of the time because they put a leash on him. When they finally let him go, he threw for over 360 yards and 3 TDs with a 69% completion percentage in a victory over Texas. I'd say that was pretty damn good.
That draft was ing garbage. There's no way around it. Cowboys need, among other things, depth at a number of positions and these scrubs couldn't even fill roles as emergency backups.
They absolutely keep players simply because they were draft picks (especially 1st 4 rounds) because releasing the player would be admitting they ed up on the pick. It happens all the time. It's why Stanback was around so long.
And the way to look at it isn't just McGee for Carpenter. It's McGee for Carpenter +that 4th round pick back. If the Cowboys wanted another QB project they could have had a pick of them just about as good right now as McGee without wasting the pick. Chase Daniels, Rhett Bomar, Harrell, Carpenter. They groomed Romo without wasting the pick... They wasted a pick on McGee. The dude's a stiff. One good showing in college doesn't make you good, and he had plenty of opportunities.
2009 Draft Blows.... End of story.
Mcghee >>>>>>> Daniels
Daniels is garbage..
Rhett Bomar? Seriously??
You over estimate McGee. He's not much better right now than any of them and Carpenter has just as much upside. Waste of a 4th rounder pure and simple
Obviously we're going to have to agree to disagree, but in my defense, there's no way in you can say it's a bad draft when the guys haven't even stepped on the damn field yet....
That guy you saw, that "looked pretty good from game action and training camp" was actually Carpenter, NOT McGee. McGee looked horrible in game action....this is worth repeating...McGee looked horrible in game action. I didn't go to training camp but all reports I read from different media outlets, including dallascowboys.com all said the same thing. Carpenter simply out played McGee and McGee looked lost out there.
Bill Parcells said it best, "potential is nothing, production is everything"
Every single guy that got drafted has so called "potential" The only reason and ONLY reason alone McGee made the roster was because he was a 4th round investment, and a bad investment at that. Thats the only reason. Teams don't like to cut anyone they draft 1-4. Whiskey Dog made a great example with the aforementioned Isaiah Stanback.
I saw McGee play 4 years of college ball and I don't know what he is, because he is certainly not a QB and never looked like one at A&M. If guys like Chase Daniels, Brian Brohm, and John David Booty are not good enough to be in this league, then neither is McGee. I didn't care for his lack of QB talent and A&M and I don't care for it now.
But some will be patient with McGee because he was a 4th round pick or because he is from Texas, or because he played for A&M. But he will NEVER pan out. Simple as that. Waste of pick and roster spot IMHO.
Do I hope Im wrong? Yes. Will I be? No.
After Tony Romo and Jon Kitna worked a quarter each under center during the first half, McGee took every snap over the final 30 minutes. He was 4-of-9 passing for 34 yards, finishing with a long gain of 14. Oakland dominated the ball for much of the second half, limiting McGee's chances, but the former Texas A&M starter did engineer one sizeable drive, a nine-play, 53-yarder that stalled on an incompletion at the Oakland 3-yard line. Limited protection forced McGee to scramble to his right often. Still, he and offensive coordinator Jason Garrett said they were pleased with his decision-making.
"I want to take shots when they're there and when I have time, and if not then I want to make good decisions with the ball," McGee said. "I'm not saying not to take a shot, I want to play aggressive, but if you have time to do that. You don't want to run around and force something."I don't understand what some of you are seeing out there. Carpenter didn't look comfortable at all. McGee looked better (although sometimes he didn't look comfortable either), and he looked better at practice too. You guys are throwing a fit about it, but yet you guys aren't saying much about them drafting a kicker.McGee didn't get many reps in OTAs, but he worked more with the third-team offense during mini-camp. Lots of low-risk, short passes. He didn't take many shots downfield, but that's what you expect from a rookie QB learning the system in his first full camp. His accuracy can improve, but his arm is strong and he seems to have pretty good pocket awareness. He's got all the time in the world to get better.Seriously, McGee looked better from what I saw. He threw a nice TD pass to Hannah against the ans. I liked what I saw from McGee. Carpenter had trouble moving the ball against the Vikes.
If you want to call this draft a bust AFTER the season, I'm all for it. Right now it's a little foolish to do so.
My point exactly..thank you.
How will that be possible if none of them will actually hit the field? The best player will be a kickoff specialist.
Butler will hit the field this year...Williams might, as might Brewster. You can't call a draft a bust because the guys aren't starting or even playing in their first year. I give you the rookie season of Tom Brady...1-3 with 6 passing yards. Give the guys a freaking chance.
well they certainly didnt get many impact guys since they mainly drafted for backup and special teams but it is hard to judge when half that class is either done for or out most of the season
lets just hope roy williams was worth what they gave up in that draft as well
Excellent point. Roy Williams is essentially the Cowboys' first and second round pick. If he produces some pretty good numbers, then this draft could be a success.
You can't look at it that way, especially not in the sense that he might do the same potential damage as 2 other players combined. He played for the Cowboys for the majority of last season. He's hardly a newcomer at this point.
He was traded for the Cowboys draft picks, essentially making him their number one draft pick for this year.
That's fine and all, but if he was traded in the offseason then it might hold a little more weight. He's been with the team for almost a year now, having been traded the 2nd week of October. I get what you're saying, but it's too much to look at it that way.
Besides, you're not going to be happy with what he brings. He's not the deep threat Owens was and isn't anywhere near the worker.
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