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Because they shot him he kept fleeing because he had been shot?
What reason exactly would he be fleeing police for, if he knew they were police?and I think he was a John, but we'll never know unless the girl talks.
So you're ok with them shooting with bystanders around? Idiot! Ricochets can occur. Anything can happen when you shoot a gun. They're lucky they didn't hit an innocent person.
Because they shot him he kept fleeing because he had been shot?
What reason exactly would he be fleeing police for, if he knew they were police?and I think he was a John, but we'll never know unless the girl talks.
Two guys rush him with a gun, then proceed to shoot at him. They're suppose to protect and to serve. This isn't the wild west, shoot first ask questions later, their is protocol to follow. Shooting at a vehicle with innocent bystanders is irresponsible.
I'm going with the opposite approach. He was a Pastor doing something to help someone he thought in need. He thought he was an innocent bystander. A black Avalanche pulls up, two guys jump out of the backseat and run up to your car with weapons drawn. You don't know who these guys are so you try and haul it out of there. You are innocent, and then these guys start shooting at you. Would you stop? No. no. You try and get out of there. You don't know who these guys are. They're not local police, they're "multi- county" drug officers.
I'm just trying to understand here.
Who flees police, especially police with their guns drawn and rushing your vehicle, if:
you aren't intoxicated
don't have a record
don't have anything illegal in the vehicle
don't even have the suspect they're looking for with you
in fact, you're a goddamn pastor with a little one on the way.
Who in that situation, flees the police?
He doesn't believe that they are police.
You apparently are either ignoring what I write or can't read. You asked the question before, and I said I thought he was a John. That would make a preacher run from the cops.
What do you think are the chances Ayers mistaking the badges for bling?
That's laughable.
This man's life is done and his baby won't have a daddy now because mr. officer's buddy got nudged by the car.
He saw weapons drawn and got the out of there, like any person would. He didn't look even once for badges, these were plain clothes men in an avalanche about to kill him - which they did. Hence why he kept driving until his wound caused him to crash.
I agree. Some people would make the argument that they had their badges in a visible place. My argument is that Pastor Ayers could have mistaken the badge as bling. Cops have mistaken wallets, cellphones, and other things as guns. I think Pastor Ayers could have mistaken a badge for bling. That accompanied with a black SUV with dark tint and guns blazing = get the out of there.
You two continue patting yourselves on the back and group thinking. They know who the girl is, and she will eventually be picked up, and we'll find out what happened between the hooker and the preacher.
Why would he be a "john bust" if he wasn't doing anything illegal?
And again, the "hooker" being with him is easily reconciled. Additionally, at this point, no definitive conclusions can be made regarding their relationship. So don't act like they can be.
In essence, you're defending cops for murdering an innocent man right now.
Last edited by z0sa; 09-07-2009 at 09:50 PM.
Now she's gone from a drug dealer/druggie to a hooker.
Yes rushing a vehicle is a the way to get him to answer questions.Running at them at guns isn't going to cause a shootout? I understand they're in danger, hence the calling for backup. Or at least doing more leg work and not try and go after the guy military style. It was a stupid move. Irresponsible. There were better ways of handling the situation.
There's no way to justify the killing of Pastor Ayers. Now matter how you try to spin it, the cops screwed up. A man is now dead. A woman is left without her husband and is going to have to raise her kid as a single mom. This child is going to grow up never knowing his/her father. Why? Because these officers needlessly shot at this guy.
If the pastor had been black, exstatic would be screaming bloody murder about police oppression.
Since it's a white pastor, exstatic is more than happy to label him a drug-dealing john.
Last edited by Kori Ellis; 09-08-2009 at 01:14 AM.
Gotta love people that have never been in the situation like those cops were in saying "how could you shoot at that person"
ing noobs.
FOH! why would i shoot someone when they aren't known to be violent? I wouldn't put myself in that situation in the first place. too bad these damn undercover cops didn't how to do a smarter, ordeally arrest. Instead they go to a gas station and use guns? Real smart cops there....
All you need in this situation is a brain and some common sense.
Sad case. By what I see on that video, I don't see why they were shooting at him. They weren't in danger, he was driving away. The police protocol at that point would be to pursue his vehicle.
If I had just been ran over you can be damn sure I'm firing at the dumbass.
I cant help but shake my head at all the people who are refusing to see this from the cops standpoint. The dude ran one of them over, and took off. Again, why let it escalate to a high speed chase? Why not end it there?
The only way I see this ending better, and I can't believe no one has brought this up yet, is why didn't they just blcok him in when they pulled up?
AND most importantly, if you are in a crowded place and more than one person is running at you yelling police, theyre probably the iing police. This wasnt a country road at 3 a.m. and a hot chick with big s and a low cut shirt is getting pulled over by a 1981 el camino.
LMAO at the people who are claiming badges as bling and saying they cant see the badge in the video. well no sherlock, a surveillance video is grainy, I never knew.
Lesson learned here, and to be honest in most cases in the news, respect the cops authority and if you have a problem with what he did, file a complaint afterwards. The chances of him being a fake cop are pretty damn small.
Just when I thought you took one step froward.......you take two steps back.
People get run over everyday, are you saying they all need to be shot?
Is that the beer talking,.... or your semi redneck way of saying
"I love to hunt three times a week while listening to my favorite Ted Nugent songs" trailer park logic?
What if the person behind the wheel was a child or a mentally challenged person or someone having a stroke or seizer? Is the gun all you wannabe ATF agents think about? This is not Waco and the Man was not David Koresh so put down the erson whiskey at 10.00 dollars for a 5 gallon jug you buy twice a week from Dale the racist liquor store manger who you bowl with every Wednesday night. You simple minded wall mart shopping fool.
nobody got ing run over.
the dude panicked and was getting the outa dodge...backwards.
glad the cop was alert and got the outa the way.
I've never read so many excuses for killing an innocent man. I don't know wether to be angry or sad.If I had just been ran over you can be damn sure I'm firing at the dumbass.
I cant help but shake my head at all the people who are refusing to see this from the cops standpoint. The dude ran one of them over, and took off. Again, why let it escalate to a high speed chase? Why not end it there?
The only way I see this ending better, and I can't believe no one has brought this up yet, is why didn't they just blcok him in when they pulled up?
AND most importantly, if you are in a crowded place and more than one person is running at you yelling police, theyre probably the iing police. This wasnt a country road at 3 a.m. and a hot chick with big s and a low cut shirt is getting pulled over by a 1981 el camino.
LMAO at the people who are claiming badges as bling and saying they cant see the badge in the video. well no sherlock, a surveillance video is grainy, I never knew.
Lesson learned here, and to be honest in most cases in the news, respect the cops authority and if you have a problem with what he did, file a complaint afterwards. The chances of him being a fake cop are pretty damn small.
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