I get a kick out of things like this. I don't know why you guys are responding to the right-wing nutjob OP's. It's pure BS from the start.
Guy, the proposal sucks, it does. It's not the president's bill however. Anytime you have that many ideologues writing something you're bound to have some bs get through. A lot of dems are falling back from it. Stop defending it. Obama is going to release his own bill soon, then the real game starts.
Which points are BS?
Speech is at 7PM, CST.
You said his proposal was deficit neutral. There is no Presidential proposal..yet. There are plenty verified ways that are deficit neutral, which he hasn't proposed ( he hasn't proposed anything). This legislation was written by the glorious underachievers of congress.
White House says no to that... That Obama won't be proposing new legislation.
I never said his proposal was deficit neutral...I predicted he will claim his proposal is deficit neutral and that, whatver it is, it won't be.
really, it's been reported for the past week.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/...are/index.html
He already arrived on the Hill...at 2:15 ET
Yeah, so you're predicting it yourself. Nice job. Explain how this wasn't bull again?
Hmmm. Somehow I doubt Congress will acquiesce to a brand new bill written for them by the President. There is the matter of ins utional pride. Unless Obama has been negotiating with Congress sub rosa, on a separate track, a "new" presidential proposal won't fly.
It seems more likely to me that Obama will present a wish list to Congress. But, we'll see.
Question? When has any government bill voted into law ever been deficit neutral?
I'll skeptically accept proof that shows otherwise.
Obama will remind us of the urgency of passing legislation that won't even take effect until 2013.
How about a law to raise taxes or cut spending?
Welfare reform in 94?
There are all kinds of possibilities. I personally think that a lot of people consider this as an all or nothing proposition and are fixated on the US or UK/Canada systems as the only possible options.
I think they are being overly simplistic, but that's politics these days.
Well, I think the problem is that too many of them (mainly republicans) have felt brushed aside. The president is dealing with division within his own party (many of them demand he puts forth a public option or they won't vote). I'm willing to bet he starts taking charge soon, he's let them this up for months.
I'm looking for it. Gibbs made the statement he wouldn't be proposing a new bill...maybe he just meant for this speech.
I heard that as well, for his speech. If you find it, post it. Its notable.
I'm not sure. Is welfare today actually deficit neutral?
What gun legislation is being discussed anywhere?
Talk about fear mongering - this President is a pro at it.
OBAMA FEAR: 'MORE WILL DIE' IF WE DO NOTHING ON HEALTH...
'DEFICIT WILL GROW. MORE FAMILIES WILL GO BANKRUPT. MORE BUSINESSES WILL CLOSE'...
SYSTEM 'AT BREAKING POINT'...
'TIME FOR GAMES HAS PASSED'...
President Barack Obama Wednesday demanded Congress act now on health reform, warning more Americans would die if Washington again does nothing to expand care and cut the costs of insurance.
Excerpt from tonight's speech:
Everyone in this room knows what will happen if we do nothing. Our deficit will grow. More families will go bankrupt. More businesses will close. More Americans will lose their coverage when they are sick and need it most. And more will die as a result. We know these things to be true.
Blah, Blah, Blah
Yada, Yada, Yada...
Talking about fear-mongering...
Obama demands health care action
'DEFICIT WILL GROW. MORE FAMILIES WILL GO BANKRUPT. MORE BUSINESSES WILL CLOSE'...President Barack Obama Wednesday demanded Congress act now on health reform, warning more Americans would die if Washington again does nothing to expand care and cut the costs of insurance.
SYSTEM 'AT BREAKING POINT'...
'TIME FOR GAMES HAS PASSED'...
Sounding kind of shrill, huh?
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