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    Well, I'm off to watch this at a sports bar. Should be fun. Actually, just going out with the guys...probably won't see the speech.

    I'm sure you guys will fill me in.
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    Well, I'm off to watch this at a sports bar. Should be fun. Actually, just going out with the guys...probably won't see the speech.

    I'm sure you guys will fill me in.
    Just in time to avoid answering another direct question.

    Typical.

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    I absolutely think they are standing idly by.

    Really, have you heard any Republican describe a comprehensive health care reform plan in the past month?

    Or have you just heard them whining about death panels that members of their own party introduced and endorsed for Medicare?
    Could be Chump. You know how this politic game goes. Parties always seem to wait to see how the initial outcome plays itself out before really getting involved.

    Sad as it may be...that's the game of politics.

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    they are going to wait it out, why not they are in too deep to back out. it worked for them for clinton and they got congress. thats the plan. step 1 successful so far that they are sticking to their guns and not flip flopping. the problem lies in attracting anyone to the party that isnt white. its easy to say no to the pres but can you lure in the people?

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    Words.

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    There are all kinds of possibilities. I personally think that a lot of people consider this as an all or nothing proposition and are fixated on the US or UK/Canada systems as the only possible options.

    I think they are being overly simplistic, but that's politics these days.
    What do you think of Paul Krugman's take?




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    Well, I'm off to watch this at a sports bar. Should be fun. Actually, just going out with the guys...

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    I thought this was an address to truly detail the proposed plan. To clarify things. To me it was just another rally/campaign speech ing about the right. Lots of positive flowery mumbo-jumbo ... but short of substance.

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    I thought this was an address to truly detail the proposed plan. To clarify things. To me it was just another rally/campaign speech ing about the right. Lots of positive flowery mumbo-jumbo ... but short of substance.
    you really were expecting too much like 90% of the media.

    Haters will hate, lovers will love but truth is, this was an above average speech regardless.

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    he basically said you republicans doing nothing but ing, republicans said shut up dont indoctrinate me you "liar". then he talked about ted kennedy and that was it. just took 45 min when i just summed it up in 2 sentences.

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    My biggest issue with the whole plan, people who don't want insurance are going to be forced to purchase it. Whats the penalty if they refuse to pay? Do they lose their right to exist? Do they go to jail?

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    he basically said you republicans doing nothing but ing, republicans said shut up dont indoctrinate me you "liar". then he talked about ted kennedy and that was it. just took 45 min when i just summed it up in 2 sentences.
    very good analysis coming from a right winger as yourself.

    Left wingers will say he did awesome, right wingers willl say he did nothing.


    but his speech was geared to the ppl in the middle. he might have scored some points on those ppl, IMO

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    One of his worse speeches. I would go into more detail but on an iPhone

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    My biggest issue with the whole plan, people who don't want insurance are going to be forced to purchase it. Whats the penalty if they refuse to pay? Do they lose their right to exist? Do they go to jail?
    They will probably force you to buy something. Kinda like when they force you to buy collateral if you don't have car insurance.

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    My biggest issue with the whole plan, people who don't want insurance are going to be forced to purchase it. Whats the penalty if they refuse to pay? Do they lose their right to exist? Do they go to jail?
    They do lose their right to exist and they have to go to prison.

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    very good analysis coming from a right winger as yourself.

    Left wingers will say he did awesome, right wingers willl say he did nothing.


    but his speech was geared to the ppl in the middle. he might have scored some points on those ppl, IMO
    lmao right winger? im in cali wtf.
    i did find that due with the glasses funny on his blackberry. dude take a iphone so you can play games!

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    Cut the waste first and then people will trust

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    What do you think of Paul Krugman's take?



    I think it's possible but not inevitable.

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    $9Bil over 4 years to cover 30 mil people who "might" or might not want to use the public plan? (No way to do this without raising taxes on everybody)

    This money will come from revenue garnished from eliminating waste from Medicare/Medicade and taxing the wealthiest a higher percentage? (Can't eliminate waste from medicare without eliminating services provided by medicare and can't raise taxes on the wealthiest without raising the costs of essential goods to the general public)

    People (small businesses) will be forced to provide health insurance much like auto insurance mandates? (Hourly wages will be reduced in an already low hourly rate per hour pay scale)

    Lots of things to consider. Hopefully Obama is willing to make concessions or there will be a lot of people knocking down his door.

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    They will probably force you to buy something. Kinda like when they force you to buy collateral if you don't have car insurance.
    Yes, but you can refuse to purchase a car. Are we supposed to refuse to live if we don't want to purchase health care?

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    Yes, but you can refuse to purchase a car. Are we supposed to refuse to live if we don't want to purchase health care?
    You are free to do so.

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    Ok that made me laugh .


    So who was the republican senator that yelled out "You Lie". That was the best part of the speech. I thought some of plastic was going to melt off Pelosi's face she was so pissed. I'd have to agree that it was over the line though.

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    You are free to do so.
    Are we? Aren't there laws against committing suicide?

    Edit: Just looked it up, according to wikipedia its apparently considered a common law crime, whatever that means...

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    Are we? Aren't there laws against committing suicide?
    Are there?

    You tell me.

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    Ok that made me laugh .


    So who was the republican senator that yelled out "You Lie". That was the best part of the speech. I thought some of plastic was going to melt off Pelosi's face she was so pissed. I'd have to agree that it was over the line though.
    They said it was a Republican from South Carolina ... I didn't catch the name.

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