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    I guess that is what happens when Wal-Mart is considered to have 1st Amendment rights just like every Jim Bob and Sally May.
    You think it's bad now, just wait until the SC rules against the FEC in Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission.

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    Oh , I'm turning into a "socialist" because I think the almighty American corporation should know its role.

    Exit question: does Wal-Mart even consider itself "American"?

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    Oh , I'm turning into a "socialist" because I think the almighty American corporation should know its role.

    Exit question: does Wal-Mart even consider itself "American"?
    Who cares if Wal-Mart considers itself American?

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    Who cares if Wal-Mart considers itself American?
    I don't know. Perhaps "Americans" should? Crazy thought, I know.

    But if it enjoys Bill of Rights protections then it's surely capable of telling us, no?

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    Oh , I'm turning into a "socialist" because I think the almighty American corporation should know its role.

    Exit question: does Wal-Mart even consider itself "American"?
    Walmart is actually a good community player. They return money to the areas the preside in. Go ahead and believe the hype because unions and other businesses want to knock the top dog down. When someone comes up with valid complaints about them, I night change my mind. All the BS floating around about them is pathetic though.

    Have any valid complaints?

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    LOL. Oh, I don't know, how about enriching a dictatorial communist regime? That's right, that's not valid.

    Further, let's not knock the "top dog down" while he's disrupting American communities and propping up commie governments around the world. While he's leading the pack of corporate hounds in a race in which the average American loses, unless they have any money left to spend in this consumerist fantasyland.

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    LOL. Oh, I don't know, how about enriching a dictatorial communist regime? That's right, that's not valid.

    Further, let's not knock the "top dog down" while he's disrupting American communities and propping up commie governments around the world. While he's leading the pack of corporate hounds in a race in which the average American loses, unless they have any money left to spend in this consumerist fantasyland.
    That's not a valid argument because all the other retail stores buy from China, asia, etc. too.

    What's funny is I think I've seen more "made in USA" products in Walmart, than other retail stores.

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    I don't know. Perhaps "Americans" should? Crazy thought, I know.

    But if it enjoys Bill of Rights protections then it's surely capable of telling us, no?
    Ah, economic nationalism.

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    That's not a valid argument because all the other retail stores buy from China, asia, etc. too.

    What's funny is I think I've seen more "made in USA" products in China, than other retail stores.
    Is that a defense?

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    Ah, economic nationalism.
    Not necessarily. Just not a race to the absolute bottom to squeeze out every last penny at the expense of life here in these United States. Taking your argument to its extreme, we end up with a tool like Friedman.

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    Against a stupid attack? No. Just pointing out you have no valid complaints, that your dislike of Walmart is based on the ignorance of a lemming.

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    Sure, life is good here if you are a member of the professional class as I am and don't have to worry about your job being shipped overseas and your best option being to work for a retail chain store hawking Chinese slave made goods. Otherwise, Wal-Mart and the rest are leading us to oblivion in the mold of some South American 3rd world .

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    Against a stupid attack? No. Just pointing out you have no valid complaints, that your dislike of Walmart is based on the ignorance of a lemming.
    So what jobs are left? Waiting tables? Ringing up customers at the local Wal-Mart? What's left? Tell me. As for "ignorance", I know all your free trade Friedmanesque (the other) arguments. That 's great until you figure out that the rest of the world is dirt poor and can make for 1/100th the cost of it here in these United States. Sure, they do the routine manufacturing and we end up with all the high end engineering jobs here, no? Problem is, there's only so many engineers...

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    So what jobs are left? Waiting tables? Ringing up customers at the local Wal-Mart? What's left? Tell me. As for "ignorance", I know all your free trade Friedmanesque (the other) arguments. That 's great until you figure out that the rest of the world is dirt poor and can make for 1/100th the cost of it here in these United States. Sure, they do the routine manufacturing and we end up with all the high end engineering jobs here, no? Problem is, there's only so many engineers...
    Why is it Walmarts fault?

    Stop and think for a moment. Walmart is doing the same thing other retail stores do. Your complaint is not against Walmart, but against the way we trade. Singling out Walmart paints you as a liberal lemming.

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    Not necessarily. Just not a race to the absolute bottom to squeeze out every last penny at the expense of life here in these United States. Taking your argument to its extreme, we end up with a tool like Friedman.
    My argument?

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    Sure, life is good here if you are a member of the professional class as I am and don't have to worry about your job being shipped overseas and your best option being to work for a retail chain store hawking Chinese slave made goods. Otherwise, Wal-Mart and the rest are leading us to oblivion in the mold of some South American 3rd world .
    Are you high, or speaking out your ass again? The best paying job I ever had is now in Malaysia. I only make about 85% as much of a salary as I did in 2002, in dollars. Not COLA adjusted. In my current job, I don't have a stock purchase program or quarterly profit sharing which used to take me past $110 k. My job went away when the tech bubble burst.

    Funny thing is, corporations try to stay here. They know that the USA is their biggest market, and for them to survive, it need consumers. The Gresham facility I used to work at could have survived the tech bubble, but the local government decided to raise property taxes. That was the straw that broke the camels back, and manufacturing went overseas.

    My previous job is one that would have stayed here if it wasn't taxed out of existence.

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    LOL. So I should pledge blind loyalty to the "American" corporations who are selling out my country because I'm an American and they're an American corporation who enjoys 1st Amendment rights even though we shouldn't even care if they acknowledge that they are American because they inherently good because to disagree would make you a socialist, or worse, a commie.

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    "Economic nationalism." Would that not consist of using taxpayer money to subsidize the losses of large businesses just because they were American businesses? I'm sure doobie was opposed to that. Or printing money and thereby undermining the value of currency held by the people?

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    "Economic nationalism." Would that not consist of using taxpayer money to subsidize the losses of large businesses just because they were American businesses? I'm sure doobie was opposed to that. Or printing money and thereby undermining the value of currency held by the people?
    Yes, I'm opposed to economic nationalism.

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    The best paying job I ever had is now in Malaysia.
    Your words.

    I only make about 85% as much of a salary as I did in 2002, in dollars. Not COLA adjusted. In my current job, I don't have a stock purchase program or quarterly profit sharing which used to take me past $110 k. My job went away when the tech bubble burst.

    Funny thing is, corporations try to stay here. They know that the USA is their biggest market, and for them to survive, it need consumers. The Gresham facility I used to work at could have survived the tech bubble, but the local government decided to raise property taxes. That was the straw that broke the camels back, and manufacturing went overseas.

    My previous job is one that would have stayed here if it wasn't taxed out of existence.
    Well , of course it's going to be 'highly taxed' when the alternative is to head down to some third world hole and shine the local dictator's pole for less.

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    Yes, I'm opposed to economic nationalism.
    Good. Then you should be opposed to this country selling itself to the Chinese economic nationalist program. Duh.

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    Since we're opposed to 'economic nationalism' then I'm sure we can reach a consensus here that no corporation should hold 1st amendment rights.

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    Good. Then you should be opposed to this country selling itself to the Chinese economic nationalist program. Duh.
    I'm opposed to people caring about a company being "American."

    I'm opposed to protectionist fearmongering.

    I'm opposed to the government trying to force private enterprises to stay in America while at the same time taxing the crap out of them.

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    Yet you support the state being so servile to private enterprises that it treats them as an actual person, while they sell out your countrymen to enhance the economic nationalist regime of a communist state.

    Perhaps soon enough we can ignore states and pledge our loyalties directly to multinationals. That would be so cool. Better to be red than a "protectionist," apparently.

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    Yet you support the state being so servile to private enterprises that it treats them as an actual person, while they sell out your countrymen to enhance the economic nationalist regime of a communist state.

    Perhaps soon enough we can ignore states and pledge our loyalties directly to multinationals. That would be so cool. Better to be red than a "protectionist," apparently.
    What did I say?

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