The label of the Point Guard position.

[MaNu4Tres]

Can anyone answer me this?

Whats this obsession with the point guard label on a player?

Everyone on here states and claims Mason is a horrible back up point guard.

What exactly makes a player being labeled a point guard?

A point guard is a player who creates for others with his ball-handling ability. Correct?

So what does that make Manu when he has the ball on all pick and roll opportunities when he comes off the bench?

What does that make LeBron in Cleveland when hes setting up Mo Williams and Delonte West in the corners for 3? At the same time what does that make Mo Williams and Boobie Gibson who are labeled PG's but spend most of their time on the 3 point line?

What does that make Kobe Bryant in Los Angelas? What does that make Derek Fisher who has the same role as Mo Williams?

My point being is it gets annoying hearing how Mason is a terrible PG.
People should start saying Mason CAN'T CREATE FOR OTHERS WELL.

At certain times next year, I wouldn't mind a lineup of Mason Manu RJ Bonner Tim to give the Spurs a better spacing and top- notch 3 point threats around the creators on the floor.

Last year with Manu out the majority of the year, and Tony out in the beginning Mason was forced by Pop to create. Something he is not good at. But he had to because sadly he was our 3rd most talented player last year with Manu out.


To conclude on my rant I just believe that Mason has no business handling the ball on pick and roll opportunities. But I think Spurs should have a stint in games to where Mason is on the floor with Manu ( as the main P&R handler), Richard Jefferson, Tim, and Blair/ Dyess/ Bonner. This would make the defense be honest with themselves and gives the Spurs the best floor spacing lineup.

I just think people get confused with the term point guard. It doesn't take a great ball- handler to bring the ball up the court. There's only a handful of TRUE point guards that always have the ball. Spurs have their creators ( Manu, Tony, RJ in Pick and Roll opportunities) and Tim at the high post/ low post and being the recipient of the pick and pop.

[Solid D]

An NBA Point Guard has to be a floor leader. On offense, the PG typically brings the ball up after COP or at least initiates the offense. He calls the plays to be run, or relays the play called from the bench to his teammates. He has ownership of dictating the tempo. He must see mismatches, particularly coming out of transition, where the cross-matches presented advantages for the offense and then get the ball to the player with the advantage. The advantage may be size but it can also be someone in position to score with his man out of position. The PG must know the game clock, shot clock and score at all times. He must direct traffic when needed and when he runs the break, he must be able to judge where the best scoring option is very quickly, and if there is one. He must make a passing decision on the break by the time he gets to the FT line.

Those are just a few of the key elements for an NBA PG on offense. Mason has some execution issues as a PG.

[nkdlunch]

PG position is the easiest position to judge.

You can tell if a player is a good/bad PG on 1 game.

[MaNu4Tres]

An NBA Point Guard has to be a floor leader. On offense, the PG typically brings the ball up after COP or at least initiates the offense. He calls the plays to be run, or relays the play called from the bench to his teammates. He has ownership of dictating the tempo. He must see mismatches, particularly coming out of transition, where the cross-matches presented advantages for the offense and then get the ball to the player with the advantage. The advantage may be size but it can also be someone in position to score with his man out of position. The PG must know the game clock, shot clock and score at all times. He must direct traffic when needed and when he runs the break, he must be able to judge where the best scoring option is very quickly, and if there is one. He must make a passing decision on the break by the time he gets to the FT line.

Those are just a few of the key elements for an NBA PG on offense. Mason has some execution issues as a PG.

I was meaning on the basis of a half court offense. Everyone on the floor is responsible for the ownership of the tempo starting from the rebounder to
the outlit man. Not just the point guard. Everyone is responsible for seeing mismatches too, not just the point guard.

Everyone must be aware of the shot clock and score at all times too. There's only a handful of point guard that have the ball the majority of the time to have the majority of the decision making as you are implying on their shoulders.

What I meant was that having Mason to be on the floor with RJ and Manu at times next year isn't a bad idea even if he is relegated to guarding the opposing point guard, due to the offensive spacing it will create. Especially with Manu or RJ being the creators on offense.

[Solid D]

I was meaning on the basis of a half court offense. Everyone on the floor is responsible for the ownership of the tempo starting from the rebounder to
the outlit man. Not just the point guard. Everyone is responsible for seeing mismatches too, not just the point guard.

Everyone must be aware of the shot clock and score at all times too. There's only a handful of point guard that have the ball the majority of the time to have the majority of the decision making as you are implying on their shoulders.

What I meant was that having Mason to be on the floor with RJ and Manu at times next year isn't a bad idea even if he is relegated to guarding the opposing point guard, due to the offensive spacing it will create. Especially with Manu or RJ being the creators on offense.

Suit youself and believe as you wish.

[Nathan Explosion]

The PG is the QB on the court. Is that easy enough to understand?

[MaNu4Tres]

The PG is the QB on the court. Is that easy enough to understand?

Not necessarily.

In Cleveland Lebron is.

In LA Kobe is.

In Boston Paul Pierce is.

In Orlando it will be Carter and Howard. Turkoglu was last year.

In San Antonio Manu, Tim, and Tony are.

[honestfool84]

Not necessarily.

In Cleveland Lebron is.

In LA Kobe is.

In Boston Paul Pierce is.

In Orlando it will be Carter and Howard. Turkoglu was last year.

In San Antonio Manu, Tim, and Tony are.

if you have an answer already, why bother asking the question? it seems you had an answer for your question even before you started this thread.

[Nathan Explosion]

Not necessarily.

In Cleveland Lebron is.

In LA Kobe is.

In Boston Paul Pierce is.

In Orlando it will be Carter and Howard. Turkoglu was last year.

In San Antonio Manu, Tim, and Tony are.

Not quite. There's a difference between initiating the offense and quaterbacking the team. The PG's job is to get everyone into position, scan the court for mismatches and basically create for his teammates in the same way that a quarterback manages a football team's offense. And the PG has to make the right pass that gets the play going.

[MaNu4Tres]

Not quite. There's a difference between initiating the offense and quaterbacking the team. The PG's job is to get everyone into position, scan the court for mismatches and basically create for his teammates in the same way that a quarterback manages a football team's offense. And the PG has to make the right pass that gets the play going.

Every player on the court is responsible for where they are on the floor and usually with the Spurs for example. Duncan is the one telling players to cut to the weak side most specifically when he has the ball on the strong side. Every player on the court goes through practices, film sessions, training camp to know the plays and to know the signs being called from the bench.

It's not like everyplayer but the PG has blindfolds on and has earplugs as the " PG" takes them through where they should be.

Every player makes the same passes. My point being is PG is more of just a label. Except for the few players in the past 20 years that have been TRUE Point guards that have the uncanny pass first attribute and creativity implemented in their game. ( Stockton, Nash, Magic, Kidd, Chris Paul, Mark Jackson).

And on another note all the good teams in the league have the BB IQ to where every player can see the mismatches as they develop. It doesn't take a 6'2 guard to point out the obvious to the team.

[MaNu4Tres]

I just think it really depends on the personnel the team has on the floor. In terms of quarterbacking and creating.

Usually its the best offensive player doing the quarterbacking and creating. Whether it be from the post or the wing.

I guess thats why I don't agree with the way some of y'all label the point guard position.

[MaNu4Tres]

And that's why I think we can get away with Mason playing the labeled PG position with Manu and RJ on the floor with him. With of course Manu and RJ creating and either Manu or Mason bringing the ball up the floor. But decision making wise in the half court offense, Mason doesn't have the tools to be successful for us to be efficient offensively ( referring to ballhandling in the P &R opportunities) . But I think he can play next to them due to Manu and RJ's playmaking ability.

If that makes any sense. I don't know it's just my opinion on the overrated point guard label in my eyes.

[Nathan Explosion]

Every player on the court is responsible for where they are on the floor and usually with the Spurs for example. Duncan is the one telling players to cut to the weak side most specifically when he has the ball on the strong side. Every player on the court goes through practices, film sessions, training camp to know the plays and to know the signs being called from the bench.

It's not like everyplayer but the PG has blindfolds on and has earplugs as the " PG" takes them through where they should be.

Every player makes the same passes. My point being is PG is more of just a label. Except for the few players in the past 20 years that have been TRUE Point guards that have the uncanny pass first attribute and creativity implemented in their game. ( Stockton, Nash, Magic, Kidd, Chris Paul, Mark Jackson).

And on another note all the good teams in the league have the BB IQ to where every player can see the mismatches as they develop. It doesn't take a 6'2 guard to point out the obvious to the team.

You could say the same thing in football. The center calls out the blocking assignments and tells the line what to do. The receivers, tight ends and running backs have to know which routes to run, what holes to hit, or what defenders to block.

But in the end, the QB is the one that runs the offense and makes sure that everyone is on the same page. The QB is the ultimate decider on the field. A great PG is the coach on the floor, just like the QB is the coach on the floor.

In his prime, J Kidd was like that, calling his own plays and running the team in the same way the Peyton Manning runs the Colts offense.

As much as Tim is an initiator on offense, he's no Peyton Manning.

[MaNu4Tres]

You could say the same thing in football. The center calls out the blocking assignments and tells the line what to do. The receivers, tight ends and running backs have to know which routes to run, what holes to hit, or what defenders to block.

But in the end, the QB is the one that runs the offense and makes sure that everyone is on the same page. The QB is the ultimate decider on the field. A great PG is the coach on the floor, just like the QB is the coach on the floor.

In his prime, J Kidd was like that, calling his own plays and running the team in the same way the Peyton Manning runs the Colts offense.

As much as Tim is an initiator on offense, he's no Peyton Manning.

Basketball and football are two entirely different sports. I don't see through your analogy. Everyplayer on the court in basketball will handle the ball and make decisions. Football only one player can make decisions with the ball.

And usually the players best offensive player is making the decisions with the ball like your " quarterback" analogy.

Pop even has been quoted multiple times after games preaching about how well Duncan quarterbacked the team to the win.

[Nathan Explosion]

And that's why I think we can get away with Mason playing the labeled PG position with Manu and RJ on the floor with him. With of course Manu and RJ creating and either Manu or Mason bringing the ball up the floor. But decision making wise in the half court offense, Mason doesn't have the tools to be successful for us to be efficient offensively ( referring to ballhandling in the P &R opportunities) . But I think he can play next to them due to Manu and RJ's playmaking ability.

If that makes any sense. I don't know it's just my opinion on the overrated point guard label in my eyes.

Gino is too careless with the ball at times. He makes bad decisions when trying to feed the ball to players. Not all the time, but more than enough times to see considerable playing time at PG. RJ is not that player plain and simple. And Mason failed at PG miserably last year.

I don't see why people think we need another PG. Hill was 10 games into his first NBA season and had to start at PG for the Spurs. He did a more than adequate job filling in for Parker and was actually thriving at the positon (as much as a SG learning the PG position can) before Pop changed his role.

[Nathan Explosion]

Basketball and Football are two entirely different sports. I don't see through your analogy.

Pop has been quoted multiple times after games preaching about how well Duncan quarterbacked the team to the win.

Remember, we're talking more than just the Spurs here. Besides, while football is the ultimate team sport, the QB/PG analogy is actually a very valid one that many people make.

In fact, look at your Pop quote. He just compared a basketball player to a football player. Kind of shoots down your argument.

[MaNu4Tres]

Gino is too careless with the ball at times. He makes bad decisions when trying to feed the ball to players. Not all the time, but more than enough times to see considerable playing time at PG. RJ is not that player plain and simple. And Mason failed at PG miserably last year.

I don't see why people think we need another PG. Hill was 10 games into his first NBA season and had to start at PG for the Spurs. He did a more than adequate job filling in for Parker and was actually thriving at the positon (as much as a SG learning the PG position can) before Pop changed his role.

I rather have Manu having the ball in P &R opportunities, creating for others when Tony is resting instead of George Hill. Nothing against Hill, I like him as a backup for Tony. I'm just stating that I think the Spurs should try the lineup of Mason/ Manu/ RJ for a stint during the game because of Mason's ability to spread the court better than Hill.

[MaNu4Tres]

Remember, we're talking more than just the Spurs here. Besides, while football is the ultimate team sport, the QB/PG analogy is actually a very valid one that many people make.

In fact, look at your Pop quote. He just compared a basketball player to a football player. Kind of shoots down your argument.

Basketball and football are two entirely different sports. I don't see through your analogy. Everyplayer on the court in basketball will handle the ball and make decisions. Football only one player can make decisions with the ball.

And usually the players best offensive player is making the decisions with the ball like your " quarterback" analogy.

Pop even has been quoted multiple times after games preaching about how well Duncan quarterbacked the team to the win.

[MaNu4Tres]

In fact, look at your Pop quote. He just compared a basketball player to a football player. Kind of shoots down your argument.

Um not really because Tim Duncan plays Power Forward.

[MaNu4Tres]

Oh wait he was a center a month and a half before the all-star break last year.

[Nathan Explosion]

I rather have Manu having the ball in P &R opportunities, creating for others when Tony is resting instead of George Hill. Nothing against Hill, I like him as a backup for Tony. I'm just stating that I think the Spurs should try the lineup of Mason/ Manu/ RJ for a stint during the game because of Mason's ability to spread the court better than Hill.

Playing PG is more than just pick and roll and dish. Playing PG is about seeing the matchups, calling the plays, hitting the right guys and making sound decisions. The PG has to know when the push the tempo and when to slow it down. The PG has to account for the situation and adapt accordingly. The PG is the coach on the floor.

Gino isn't a good fit in this regard. The Spurs can get by playing Gino about 5 to 10 minutes a game at PG, but definitely not more than that. Plus, Hill is more athletic at this point than Gino, which gives the Spurs an added dimension.

While Tim does QB the team a lot, how many times have you seen Tony yelling at a player to go to the spot on the floor he wants them too before even starting the play? How many times have you seen Tony constantly probing the defense looking for holes for the offense to attack and adjusting accordingly? And how many times have you seen Tony have free reign with the team compared to his early years?

I've seen Parker bring the ball up for a timeout only to drive to the hoop and score when the defense relaxes. This is something a PG has to do.

[Nathan Explosion]

Um not really because Tim Duncan plays Power Forward.

You want to know what a PG is, here's a website for you to start.

http://www.coachesclipboard.net/PointGuard.html

[MaNu4Tres]

Playing PG is more than just pick and roll and dish. Playing PG is about seeing the matchups, calling the plays, hitting the right guys and making sound decisions. The PG has to know when the push the tempo and when to slow it down. The PG has to account for the situation and adapt accordingly. The PG is the coach on the floor.

Gino isn't a good fit in this regard. The Spurs can get by playing Gino about 5 to 10 minutes a game at PG, but definitely not more than that. Plus, Hill is more athletic at this point than Gino, which gives the Spurs an added dimension.

While Tim does QB the team a lot, how many times have you seen Tony yelling at a player to go to the spot on the floor he wants them too before even starting the play? How many times have you seen Tony constantly probing the defense looking for holes for the offense to attack and adjusting accordingly? And how many times have you seen Tony have free reign with the team compared to his early years?

I've seen Parker bring the ball up for a timeout only to drive to the hoop and score when the defense relaxes. This is something a PG has to do.

Um because he's become our best guard/wing/point guard w/e u call it that we have. If you can scroll up you can notice that I've stated that usually the teams BEST players are the quarterbacks and decision makers. And I'm not one to believe that everyone other than the PG is clueless when it comes to noticing mismatches. As I've said before there's more factors involved that include other teammates that increase the tempo of a game. It also helps that Tony is the best guard that we have on our team now and not to mention that he is one of the fastests in the league.

And everyone on the court notices situations and " adapts accordingly". It's not just one player like the other players are clueless with whats going on.

What about for the Cavs/ Lakers? Who is the floor general for those teams?
That's my point. It's about the personnel the team has.

[MaNu4Tres]

That is your prototype PG. ( Nash, Kidd, Stockton, Magic, Chris Paul, Mark Jackson). In the real world the labeled PG's don't have all those attributes.

The best offensive players on each team are the " floor generals and leaders". It's not the point guard on every team.

[MaNu4Tres]

It's obvious you don't understand what I'm trying to say. But I respect your opinion I guess Mike Brown gives the keys to the team to Mo Williams and Boobie Gibson whenever Mo is sitting.