We need Chinese-style autocracy

[Marcus Bryant]

I know what you wrote. No government, just slaves to the almighty C corp.

[Marcus Bryant]

Obviously we don't care about states until we care about the protection of the property rights and the free speech rights of multinationals, then we must have servile states which call upon the lower classes to die in the wars which the state conducts which enrich the multinationals. Not to mention that we should expect those lower classes to compete with the slaves of communist states we support through a theory of free trade in which the benefit is further indebtedness for the state and its citizens.

[hope4dopes]

That's not a valid argument because all the other retail stores buy from China, asia, etc. too.

What's funny is I think I've seen more "made in USA" products in Walmart, than other retail stores.

The right needs to learn that it has as much to fear from big bussiness as it does big goverment, and the left has to learn it has as much to fear from big goverment as it does big bussiness.
I think a lot of conservatives really felt Bush was just a little too cozy with internationlist corprate visions.The spp, the NAU, I always got the feeling Bush was a mouthpiece for people who wanted to create something like the EU in the westeren hemisphere. Like Rockefeller.
The Republicans aren't really speaking to the workers, they pat them on the head call them the salt of the earth, couldn't do it without you blah blah Horatio Algers bull and out the door you go, meanwhile hiding the level of corruption big bussiness forgien and domestic play in the direction of the state and their end game for the nation, and it's people.
Walmarts been busted several time for hiring illegal aliens to build their stores.

[Yonivore]

The right needs to learn that it has as much to fear from big bussiness as it does big goverment, and the left has to learn it has as much to fear from big goverment as it does big bussiness.
I think a lot of conservatives really felt Bush was just a little too cozy with internationlist corprate visions.The spp, the NAU, I always got the feeling Bush was a mouthpiece for people who wanted to create something like the EU in the westeren hemisphere. Like Rockefeller.
The Republicans aren't really speaking to the workers, they pat them on the head call them the salt of the earth, couldn't do it without you blah blah Horatio Algers bull and out the door you go, meanwhile hiding the level of corruption big bussiness forgien and domestic play in the direction of the state and their end game for the nation, and it's people.
Walmarts been busted several time for hiring illegal aliens to build their stores.

The Bush Justice Department had a better record for prosecuting corrupt business than just about any previous administration...

[hope4dopes]

The Bush Justice Department had a better record for prosecuting corrupt business than just about any previous administration...

Get real the level of corruption I'm talking about never sees the light of day and you know it. The ultra rich and powerfull call the tune sometimes the tune is republican sometimes the tune is democrat, but they call the tune.
Bush made it a point to threaten the citizens and the border patrol agents if the interfered with the flow of illegal aliens, he was agressive in pursuing an agenda of an EU like community. The larger the state gets ,the farther away the peoples access to it is ,until one community,then another is sacrificed for the greater good.

[Bartleby]

The Bush Justice Department had a better record for prosecuting corrupt business than just about any previous administration...

[Yonivore]

Get real the level of corruption I'm talking about never sees the light of day and you know it. The ultra rich and powerfull call the tune sometimes the tune is republican sometimes the tune is democrat, but they call the tune.
Bush made it a point to threaten the citizens and the border patrol agents if the interfered with the flow of illegal aliens, he was agressive in pursuing an agenda of an EU like community. The larger the state gets ,the farther away the peoples access to it is ,until one community,then another is sacrificed for the greater good.

Put a name on these nebulous puppeteers. Who are they? To whom are our presidents prostrating themselves? Who are these "ultra rich and powerful?"

[LnGrrrR]

you.


Seriously.


'goin to the store, y'all take it easy.

Seriously, I just mentioned yesterday how WH23's avatar was making me hungry.

Change your avatar!

[LnGrrrR]

Why is it Walmarts fault?

Stop and think for a moment. Walmart is doing the same thing other retail stores do. Your complaint is not against Walmart, but against the way we trade. Singling out Walmart paints you as a liberal lemming.

LMAO

WC, you're the first to say you're not a big R Republican because you disagree with some of their tactics.

However, Marcus disagrees with you in one area, and you are quick to paint him as a liberal. If you've read anything else Marcus has posted, you would know he's not a liberal.

[polysylab1k]

The chinese mode is absolutely not something replicable, at least it's not what America needs. Autocracy never works in a country where most people are smarties instead of dumbasses, America reached the world's summit through its old route and I believe it'll once again lead the world in the 21st century. Some changes are truly urgently needed in America, but the changes are more like adjustments but not revolutionary switches that some delusionists want. The North started with difficulties in the civil war but eventually defeated the South and maintained our union. It's stupid to give up our own believe for reloading ty concepts, or whatsoever.

[Winehole23]

LMAO

WC, you're the first to say you're not a big R Republican because you disagree with some of their tactics.

However, Marcus disagrees with you in one area, and you are quick to paint him as a liberal. If you've read anything else Marcus has posted, you would know he's not a liberal.

Whatever WC says and believes is canonically conservative.

Ergo, whoever disagrees is a dirty lib !

[Winehole23]

It cracked me up, too.

[Marcus Bryant]

The right needs to learn that it has as much to fear from big bussiness as it does big goverment

Yes. The problem on the right is that any critique of large multinationals that regards something other than support of left-wing politicians or leftist causes is automatically seen as evidence of incipient socialism and automatically brands one as a radical. Of course, the amusing thing is that while conservatives leap to the defense of those multinationals as if they are engaged in free enterprise, many of those businesses use governments, including our own, to gain benefits not attainable in a free market.

While it should be clear that the Fortune 500 is generally politically agnostic, and perfectly willing to seek favor with whatever politicians are in charge to receive state support (none dare call it socialism), it's not. Many see any critique of big business as a critique of free enterprise. They are not one in the same. Yes, Wal-Mart doesn't give a if it's American, but you can be assured that it does care about what goodies and standing it can receive from the federal government.

What's good for Wal-Mart is not necessarily what's good for this nation. While conservatives freak out about any expansion of state power, many are silent when state power enhances Wal-Mart (or Goldman or ExxonMobil, etc...) Conservatives rightly see a threat to individual liberty from massive federal intervention called for from the left, but fail to see the threat from federal intervention for multinationals.

The individual is truly under attack from all sides today here in the US. The last thing big government and big business want are free individuals, able to think and take care of themselves. Big business wants you to support the politicians they have bought off because you believe that they represent the vanguard of free enterprise. Meanwhile, they seek socialism for themselves while the small and medium sized businesses of this country have to worry about a free market, even though their conservative employees believe that what's good for Wal-Mart is good for their employer, or their family, or their neighborhood.

Rampant materialist consumerism is close to destroying this country, leaving us with a nation of gullible serfs and their upper middle class and upper class masters/caretakers. The dropout thread should be referenced for some background on how we got here, and why it's only going to get worse.

Finally, some conservatives and libertarians base their support for the multinationals under some shade of anarcho-capitalism, the desire for the state to wither away and be replaced by a bunch of free individuals making up the rules as they go along. While that may sound great when you have spent a bender hating on Uncle Sam, it's pure fantasy, and the result would likely be the total enslavement of the masses (just like 'leftist revolutions' lead to). Property rights require some form of government to exist. Anyways, the point here is that we are not headed to decentralization in government but rather greater centralization. The state isn't going away. Big business knows this and is spending more time in bed with big government. Neither is your friend.

[101A]

Yes. The problem on the right is that any critique of large multinationals that regards something other than support of left-wing politicians or leftist causes is automatically seen as evidence of incipient socialism and automatically brands one as a radical. Of course, the amusing thing is that while conservatives leap to the defense of those multinationals as if they are engaged in free enterprise, many of those businesses use governments, including our own, to gain benefits not attainable in a free market.

While it should be clear that the Fortune 500 is generally politically agnostic, and perfectly willing to seek favor with whatever politicians are in charge to receive state support (none dare call it socialism), it's not. Many see any critique of big business as a critique of free enterprise. They are not one in the same. Yes, Wal-Mart doesn't give a if it's American, but you can be assured that it does care about what goodies and standing it can receive from the federal government.

What's good for Wal-Mart is not necessarily what's good for this nation. While conservatives freak out about any expansion of state power, many are silent when state power enhances Wal-Mart (or Goldman or ExxonMobil, etc...) Conservatives rightly see a threat to individual liberty from massive federal intervention called for from the left, but fail to see the threat from federal intervention for multinationals.

The individual is truly under attack from all sides today here in the US. The last thing big government and big business want are free individuals, able to think and take care of themselves. Big business wants you to support the politicians they have bought off because you believe that they represent the vanguard of free enterprise. Meanwhile, they seek socialism for themselves while the small and medium sized businesses of this country have to worry about a free market, even though their conservative employees believe that what's good for Wal-Mart is good for their employer, or their family, or their neighborhood.

Rampant materialist consumerism is close to destroying this country, leaving us with a nation of gullible serfs and their upper middle class and upper class masters/caretakers. The dropout thread should be referenced for some background on how we got here, and why it's only going to get worse.

Finally, some conservatives and libertarians base their support for the multinationals under some shade of anarcho-capitalism, the desire for the state to wither away and be replaced by a bunch of free individuals making up the rules as they go along. While that may sound great when you have spent a bender hating on Uncle Sam, it's pure fantasy, and the result would likely be the total enslavement of the masses (just like 'leftist revolutions' lead to). Property rights require some form of government to exist. Anyways, the point here is that we are not headed to decentralization in government but rather greater centralization. The state isn't going away. Big business knows this and is spending more time in bed with big government. Neither is your friend.

Well said.

[hope4dopes]

Yes. The problem on the right is that any critique of large multinationals that regards something other than support of left-wing politicians or leftist causes is automatically seen as evidence of incipient socialism and automatically brands one as a radical. Of course, the amusing thing is that while conservatives leap to the defense of those multinationals as if they are engaged in free enterprise, many of those businesses use governments, including our own, to gain benefits not attainable in a free market.

While it should be clear that the Fortune 500 is generally politically agnostic, and perfectly willing to seek favor with whatever politicians are in charge to receive state support (none dare call it socialism), it's not. Many see any critique of big business as a critique of free enterprise. They are not one in the same. Yes, Wal-Mart doesn't give a if it's American, but you can be assured that it does care about what goodies and standing it can receive from the federal government.

What's good for Wal-Mart is not necessarily what's good for this nation. While conservatives freak out about any expansion of state power, many are silent when state power enhances Wal-Mart (or Goldman or ExxonMobil, etc...) Conservatives rightly see a threat to individual liberty from massive federal intervention called for from the left, but fail to see the threat from federal intervention for multinationals.

The individual is truly under attack from all sides today here in the US. The last thing big government and big business want are free individuals, able to think and take care of themselves. Big business wants you to support the politicians they have bought off because you believe that they represent the vanguard of free enterprise. Meanwhile, they seek socialism for themselves while the small and medium sized businesses of this country have to worry about a free market, even though their conservative employees believe that what's good for Wal-Mart is good for their employer, or their family, or their neighborhood.

Rampant materialist consumerism is close to destroying this country, leaving us with a nation of gullible serfs and their upper middle class and upper class masters/caretakers. The dropout thread should be referenced for some background on how we got here, and why it's only going to get worse.

Finally, some conservatives and libertarians base their support for the multinationals under some shade of anarcho-capitalism, the desire for the state to wither away and be replaced by a bunch of free individuals making up the rules as they go along. While that may sound great when you have spent a bender hating on Uncle Sam, it's pure fantasy, and the result would likely be the total enslavement of the masses (just like 'leftist revolutions' lead to). Property rights require some form of government to exist. Anyways, the point here is that we are not headed to decentralization in government but rather greater centralization. The state isn't going away. Big business knows this and is spending more time in bed with big government. Neither is your friend.

True words, but I think conservatives are begining to understand this and bush's immigration policy was what tipped his hand to his allegance to corprate internationalisim. I think the bigger problem is the democrats blind following of political internationalist same thing under diffrent name, this administrations main job is to legitamize a political thought ,that while waving the flag of human liberation, is nothing more than barbarisim, responsible for the most brutal and oppresive chapter in human history.Must we have our own gulags our own cultural revolution our own pol pot before we are dissilusioned with bull rhetoric.

[Wild Cobra]

I'm opposed to the government trying to force private enterprises to stay in America while at the same time taxing the crap out of them.

Exactly. That's what liberals just don't understand. They tax the rich and corporations right out of America, then blame the rich and corporations rather than looking at themselves.

[Wild Cobra]

The Republicans aren't really speaking to the workers, they pat them on the head call them the salt of the earth, couldn't do it without you blah blah Horatio Algers bull and out the door you go, meanwhile hiding the level of corruption big bussiness forgien and domestic play in the direction of the state and their end game for the nation, and it's people.

Corruption exists anywhere. That doesn't mean it is supported. I agree the republicans as a whole aren't doing much better than the demonrats. However, they are the lesser of two evils. As long as the two party system is prominent, I'll vote republican over democrat most the time. However, I'll spoil my vote rather than vote for a RINO.

Walmarts been busted several time for hiring illegal aliens to build their stores.

Really? Never heard of that past one of their contractors being busted for that.

Can you support that contention?

[LnGrrrR]

Exactly. That's what liberals just don't understand. They tax the rich and corporations right out of America, then blame the rich and corporations rather than looking at themselves.

I think you're missing Marcus' point.

You say they "tax the rich out of America", but don't look at the fact that WalMart games the system in America to get favorable treatment. It's a two-way street. Should WalMart make profits here and not get taxed?

In fact, how SHOULD multinational corporations be taxed? What do you think is fair WC?

Marcus, please correct me if I'm wrong.

[Wild Cobra]

Bush made it a point to threaten the citizens and the border patrol agents if the interfered with the flow of illegal aliens, he was agressive in pursuing an agenda of an EU like community.

Yes, and conservatives everywhere chastised president Bush. Because of him and other republicans supporting Amnesty, it is part of why they lost seats in congress. Conservative like me spoiled our votes rather than voting for them. I didn't vote for either the in bent senator Smith (R) or senator Merkley (D) who won this last election for Oregon. Senator smith supported Amnesty and would not take a strong stand on border control. I'm usually not a single issue voter, but that blew it for me. I'm sure it did for others who voted for him last time, and he lost because of his liberal viewpoints.

[Wild Cobra]

I think you're missing Marcus' point.

You say they "tax the rich out of America", but don't look at the fact that WalMart games the system in America to get favorable treatment. It's a two-way street. Should WalMart make profits here and not get taxed?

In fact, how SHOULD multinational corporations be taxed? What do you think is fair WC?

Marcus, please correct me if I'm wrong.

When you tax something, you discourage it. When we tax production, we discourage production. In a world economy, if we want to balance the trade, we need to be on equal footing. I think you missed my points of how we tax ourselves into the problems we have.

When we tax a retail store, they just pass that cost along to the consumer. We really end up paying the tax anyway.

[Marcus Bryant]

What is the effective income tax rate that Wal-Mart faces in the US?

[Wild Cobra]

What is the effective income tax rate that Wal-Mart faces in the US?

I don't know, and I don't care. I want to see a dramatic change in our tax system. If we tax consumption rather than production, then we tax imports and local made items the same. If we tax production and not consumption, then imports are effectively not taxed, except for on the retail profits. Local products are effectively taxed twice. At production, and at retail profit.

[Marcus Bryant]

You don't know, but you are certain that the multinational to which you pledge your allegiance to is being heavily taxed.

Further, since this is a world economy and the compe ion which lower and middle class individuals face in the labor market consists of the slaves of communist states and various others in 3rd World nations barely eeking out a subsistence level existence, we need to have the same arrangement here in order to compete for the favor of our almighty multinational masters.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't know, and I don't care.

Bumper sticker!

[Marcus Bryant]

Mother er. Since when did conservatives stop being Americans?