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So just let them die?
Since mentioned in Obama's speech this issue has seemed to arrise to the front after Senator's Wilson's "you lie" comment.
from a 2008 article: http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=3978
Free Medical Relief for Illegal Aliens Immigration; Posted on: 2008-03-28 11:56:32 [ Printer friendly / Instant flyer ]
President Bush by his negligence or ignorance is allowing Illegal Aliens to step to the front of the line in the United States Medical System. Emergency Rooms broke or charging legals more.
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Mexican ambulance companies are now instructing their drivers to take uninsured patients across the border to the United States. Might as well be George Bush instructing them with his lack of enforcement of the federal rules and regulations he swore to uphold.
For each of the last three years, 60 percent of hospitals in New York lost money. State hospitals lost a total of $1.7 billion in uncompensated care. Yet the state is offering free insurance coverage to 167,000 legal immigrants, at a cost of about $10 million. Immigrants head straight to the Jamaica Hospital, in Queens, New York, after landing at JFK or La Guardia. The hospital buys plane tickets and to send some of the ill immigrants back home, sometimes buying extra tickets for nurses to serve as escorts.
Pennsylvania and New Jersey hospitals gave almost $2 billion in free emergency and short-term care to uninsured patients, a large portion are illegal aliens.
Chicago's Alivio Medical Center provides $1 million a year in uncompensated care and estimates that more than half of its 20,000 annual patients are illegal aliens
Minnesota county commissioners say that the cost of medical care for uninsured immigrants is too high for local government to bear without federal help. Minnesota expects a $4.2 billion budget shortfall over the next two years
North Carolina has about $1.4 billion in unreimbursed hospital expenses annually. Every month, a Medicaid emergency services program sees 220 new cases involving immigrants, many of whom are illegal, at a cost of $32 million.
According to the Texas Hospital Association, Texas hospitals spent $393 million treating illegal aliens in 2002 alone and increasing yearly with $225 million to be paid by taxpayers. Texas, facing a $10 billion two-year state budget shortfall, plans to roll back Medicaid and coverage for children under the State Children's Health Insurance Program to the minimum levels mandated by law. Texas attorney general John Cornyn issued a legal opinion stipulating that federal law bans hospitals from using tax dollars to provide non-emergency care to illegal immigrants. However, Harris County- the state's largest county, which includes Houston- announced it would ignore the opinion and continue to provide taxpayer-subsidized non-emergency care to illegal aliens. In El Paso, 40 percent of residents have no health insurance and the illegal alien problem is rampant, Thomason General Hospital is seeking a 12.5 percent property tax increase to help offset its uncompensated care costs. The facility lost $32 million in uncompensated costs in 2001, not including an additional $49.7 million in charity care for patients whom the hospital knew up front could not pay their bills. An administrator at Texas's Brownsville Medical Center estimated that his hospital spends $500,000 a month treating illegal aliens.
In Florida, if Medicaid costs continue to increase at the current rate, the costs would consume the state budget by 2015. Non-citizens amass unpaid bills of more than $40 million a year at Florida hospitals. Broward County collects $190 million annually in property taxes to offset the $453 million lost in uncompensated care. The Florida Hospital Association reports that hospitals in the state "expended considerable time and effort transferring the patient back to their own country or finding appropriate long-term care. Hospitals frequently paid to return the patient to his/her home country and/or absorbed the cost of any follow up care
California Over 60 emergency rooms have closed and locally funded initiatives in Los Angeles, San Bernardino, San Francisco, San Mateo, and Riverside counties now pay for health insurance for illegal immigrants in those jurisdictions. One-third of the patients treated by the Los Angeles county health system each year are illegal aliens. Los Angeles, a magnet for legal and illegal immigration, is a prime example of immigration overwhelming a health system. Since the early 1990s, the Los Angeles County Department of Health Services (LACHS) has been on the verge of collapse several times, saved only by bailouts from the federal government. LACHS bears the burden of providing treatment for two million people without health insurance and faces an anticipated $300 million deficit, ac ulating to nearly $800 million over the next five years. 16 health clinics and two hospitals were forced to close their doors to everyone
LACHS is sharply curtailing services at dozens of county clinics, hospitals, and emergency rooms, which serve primarily the working poor and indigent. If no additional state or federal funds are forthcoming, county health officials have proposed closing emergency, trauma, and in-patient services at three hospitals, along with two-thirds of the county health center clinics and 100 private outpatient clinics. "If these critical county trauma centers are closed, there is absolutely no doubt that injured people, both with and without medical insurance, will die unnecessarily because the other trauma centers are simply too far away," says Dr. Robert Hockberger, chair of Harbor-UCLA's Department of Emergency Medicine
Scripps Memorial Hospital in Chula Vista estimates that about one quarter of patients who are uninsured and don't pay their bills are illegal aliens. The hospital loses $7 million to $10 million in uncompensated costs.
In Santa Cruz hospitals are so crowded that they regularly close their doors to new emergency patients. When they're open, patients often have to wait up to ten hours. 30 to 40 percent of the Community Clinic of Orange County's patients in Santa Ana are illegal immigrants Regional Medical Center and Pioneers Memorial Hospital in El Centro, California loses over $1.5 million annually treating illegal immigrants.
Arizona, facing a $1 billion state budget shortfall in FY 2004 Southeast Arizona Medical Center- has filed for bankruptcy. Cochise's Copper Queen Community Hospital spends two-thirds of its operating income on uncompensated care for immigrants, a factor administrators say played a role in the hospital's decision to close its long-term care unit. University Medical Center in Tucson loses over $7 million a year caring for immigrants The five largest health care providers in Maricopa County loses over 400 million every year in uncompensated care.
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messing with Medicare....the allegedly proposed plan could be paid by eliminating free care to illegals.
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So just let them die?
For those who care about the truth:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...lied-he-didnt/
It's already been investigated. Wilson was the one who lied.
From the speech:
From YOUR source:
Obama lied.Under health care reform, illegal immigrants would be able to buy private insurance or the public option.
At least make them pay. That alone would reduce health care costs for all of us and we wouldn't need radical health care reform.
Wilson simply stated "You Lie". Politifact proves proves Wilson's statement is correct. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me.../barack-obama/
illegal immigrants can already purchase insurance from private companies today.
that means private companies are insuring illegals today. shame on them!!!
this means EVERYONE lied!
Not a very convincing arguement. They're simply making an observation that the whole issue of coverage for illegals pretty much gets ignored in the bill and then concluding that Wilson lied because there's nothing in there that says illegals would get coverage. That's a flawed premise because someone else could say that Wilson was telling the truth because there's nothing in the bill saying that illegals would be prohibited from getting coverage. Both conclusions would have equal merit and be equally flawed.
There's a simple fix here. If the Obama administration truly doesn't want illegals to be covered, which certainly is the impression they want to give, then just add the verbage to the bill saying exactly that. By not doing so it gives the impression that they're trying to deceive the public by saying illegals won't be covered yet leaving the loophole open to cover them after the bill gets passed.
I'm fine with their paying.
They already are able to buy private insurance.
Why wouldn't anyone want illegals to pay for health care coverage?
wilson + the Republicans
they preffer the status quo. Illegals can't afford the expensive private insurance so they get free treatment at the ER at the expense of everyone else.
Fine. How can our government "FORCE" an illegal allien to purchase something they don't already purchase now?
Obama's speech was talking about reducing the "waste" of medicare expenditures. Were illegal alliens his prime target regarding that waste.
Did you read this in the OP...
We're shipping illegals in just to provide health care?Immigrants head straight to the Jamaica Hospital, in Queens, New York, after landing at JFK or La Guardia. The hospital buys plane tickets and to send some of the ill immigrants back home, sometimes buying extra tickets for nurses to serve as escorts.
how do they get past the JFK/Laguardia immigration??
Either the problem is there or they probably come in legally which means this has nothing to do with Illegal Alien Care
Private insurance isn't subsidized by the United States Government; The Public Option will be.
Also, all of those regulations (no pre-x exclusion, etc...) meant to help American citizens - will also help illegal aliens. It is not that much of a leap, in that environment, to imagine a person diagnosed with cancer in a foreign country, coming here; buying insurance, and immediately getting coverage. , I could see doctors/hospitals/clinics FLYING them here to do so! And it would be illegal to stop them; or charge them more than the prevailing premium, etc.......
Obama lied.
Good question. One that Obama should answer instead of just giving hints and making innuendos. If he's serious about health care reform he needs to come right out and say what he wants to do about the illegals. Are they going to be on our nickel? Their own nickel? Or are we going to just start kicking them out of the emergency rooms if they don't have cash or coverage?
welcome to politics.
Although President Obama says illegal aliens will not be covered in the health care overhaul bill, it contains no citizenship verification tools to ensure this happens.
I'm afraid the President does not understand the ramifications of a health care bill without verification provisions: unless the proposed health care bill includes a provision like the Deal Amendment to require verification of legal status, illegal aliens will be able to receive health care coverage. Not only is it unfair to hardworking and financially-strapped Americans to have to cover the cost of health care for illegal aliens, but also it is yet another incentive for more illegal immigration. Even though the bill may not explicitly state that illegal aliens are covered, the absence of language like the Deal amendment creates a de facto amnesty in which they can receive benefits.
only if they repeal the 1986 Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) which would create a lot of other issues in the process.
Yeah these people amaze me....I bet they're still holding on to hope of finding WMD.
If they have a job, they'll have to buy coverage. That's who you were talking about. If they have that level of do entation, they'll be part of the premium paying and taxpaying system.
Which illegal aliens receive Medicare?Obama's speech was talking about reducing the "waste" of medicare expenditures. Were illegal alliens his prime target regarding that waste.
Sounds like a nice anecdote from such a well-known site, but as was asked earlier -- how do they make it out of the airport if they are here illegally?We're shipping illegals in just to provide health care?
Here is a nice lil list of the America’s illegals who qualify for free healthcare.
1) aliens lawfully admitted who become legal permanent residents, called LPRs who have “Green Cards” for work, technically Immigration’s “I 551” status
2) refugees
3) aliens granted political asylum
4) Cubans and Haitians who entered America under the 1980 Refugee Education Assistance Act
5) aliens granted parole from prison for at least one year
6) aliens scheduled for deportation but whose deportation has been withheld
7) aliens granted “conditional entry”
8) battered alien women from any country who are welcomed under the Violence Against Women Act of 2000; and
9) victims of “severe forms of trafficking” who are brought to America and covered under the Trafficking Victims Protection Act of 2000.[2]
good.
poor folk
Yes. But also...for those that do not or will not purchase insurance...will it be business as usual in the ER centers across the nation? obama didn't go into detail about that. Will people be refused ER care if they don't provide proof of insurance? As the OP mentions...ER facilities are not only loosing money...they are going bancrupt. Does the "new" plan cover such instances...if so...who is paying for it? Does the cost of reform only involve the legal citizens of this nation? Again...there's no way to ensure such do entation.
Where does the revenue come from in treating illegals? Why is there a projected $500 Billion in wasteful spending through medicare?
Sounds like a nice anecdote from such a well-known site, but as was asked earlier -- how do they make it out of the airport if they are here illegally?[/quote]
As noted before...they were legal immigrants. But still receiving "free" care. Who has been paying for that?
this thread is not about legal immigrantslegal immigrants.
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