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well then you are in the wrong place at the wrong time. Obama came to help the poor. And the majority of Americans voted him in.
Nice conclusion that they are all poor. And I like many Americans don't want to pay for someone because they are poor let alone have to pay for them when they should not be here in the first place. Go play your violin somewhere else.good.
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well then you are in the wrong place at the wrong time. Obama came to help the poor. And the majority of Americans voted him in.
North Carolina has about $1.4 billion in unreimbursed hospital expenses annually. Every month, a Medicaid emergency services program sees 220 new cases involving immigrants, many of whom are illegal, at a cost of $32 million.
So are you calling specifically for illegal aliens to be denied emergency medical care?
You are confusing two separate issues. If you have proof that illegals are using Medicare, provide a link to it.Where does the revenue come from in treating illegals? Why is there a projected $500 Billion in wasteful spending through medicare?
Again, nice anecdote. I'd like to see something more than anecdotes.As noted before...they were legal immigrants. But still receiving "free" care. Who has been paying for that?
Get back with us when you know the difference between Medicare and Medicaid.
They didn't vote Obama to be president to help the poor. They believed he would fix the economy,close gitmo in a 100 days, get out of Iraq, stop wars, allow five days of public comment before signing bills, no earmarks, get tougher on lobbyist, negotiate health care reform in public sessions televised on cspan,etc,.etc,etc,,,,,,,
You act as if we can pay for these illegals and people voted for him because of this. You're funny.
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Say what?
Both receive their revenue from American citizens and as reported..
That is North Carolina only. Who knows where else. Fact is...Medicaid is being used to fund illegal health care.Every month, a Medicaid emergency services program sees 220 new cases involving immigrants, many of whom are illegal, at a cost of $32 million.
Aren't small businesses exempt from all this? And don't most illegals work for small businesses? I know in the construction industry a lot of companies skirt the whole immigration thing by getting illegals to work for them as independent contractors. I'm not so sure that we'd end up capturing all that big a percentage of the illegal work force.
Excuse my interjecting the referance you were asking Chump, but, this is what many small business owners are afraid of.
Will this bill if voted for effect the mandation of small business to provide health insurance to it's employees since it will be federal law. As of now...in the state of Texas...all that is required to provide is Workmans' Comp for salaried employees. Independant contractors as you mentioned are responsible for their own health insurance though many require Liability Insurance to work on location.
You read what I said.
So why worry then? If you are going to let companies employ illegal aliens anyway, you aren't serious about any reform concerning them.
I don't think "refugees" are considered illegal aliens. The same goes for "severe forms of trafficking", as they are usually brought here against their will.
If they are not invited they are illegally here.
You understand what I'm saying too.
http://www.investopedia.com/articles...s-medicaid.asp
Again...both receive money from the federal government...one was being used to fund illegal allien health care answering your question...
Which illegal aliens receive Medicaid?
well this only applies to america post manifest destiny of course.
It sure doesn't look like Obama & Co are in any hurry to deliver some kind of immigration reform, so apparently they're not serious about reforming how that whole side of the equation is working. Doesn't that kind of defeat the point behind healthcare reform if we still end up with a bunch of uninsured illegals filling up emergency rooms?
So the Cubans who escape Castro and make it to the mainland are all illegal?
Uhm... no.
If they are brought against their will, for instance, and the government decides to allow them to stay here, then they are here legally. If they are given refugee status, then they are given such status by the government. Are you arguing that a status granted to them by the government is illegal?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugee
Refugee was defined as a legal group in response to the large numbers of people fleeing Eastern Europe following World War II.
I don't understand what you're saying.
Are you AGAINST emergency medical care for illegal citizens, or aren't you? A simple yes or no will do.
i don't really think that this part would be about healthcare reform though.
Republicans were in complete control of the government for six years. What did they do?No, it doesn't.Doesn't that kind of defeat the point behind healthcare reform if we still end up with a bunch of uninsured illegals filling up emergency rooms?
We have policies for certain refugees. Check out the wet feet, dry feet policy. Lets say they fall into this policy, to me that means they are invited.
What? Why can't Obama get this damned Democratic Congress to write a bill outlawing illegals from getting hurt? Or outlawing hospitals from helping them? This demonrat lib Congress can't do anything right!
Nothing. How is that relevant to who's in power now?
Why not? Don't you agree that uninsured illegals are a big part of the reason why health care costs are so high? If the point behind all this is to control costs, why wouldn't we want to resolve the issue behind the cost of providing care to illegals? Or are we just supposed to accept that uninsured illegals are en led to free healthcare and it's the responsibility of taxpayers and the insured to provide it for them?No, it doesn't.
Right... but the fact that we have policies means that those refugees are "legal". I mean, that's kinda by definition, 'invitation' or not.
My point is, of the list you posted...
... only two of the statuses are for "illegal" immigrants (the non-italicized ones). Kinda defeats the point of the post.Here is a nice lil list of the America’s illegals who qualify for free healthcare.
1) aliens lawfully admitted who become legal permanent residents, called LPRs who have “Green Cards” for work, technically Immigration’s “I 551” status
2) refugees
3) aliens granted political asylum
4) Cubans and Haitians who entered America under the 1980 Refugee Education Assistance Act
5) aliens granted parole from prison for at least one year
6) aliens scheduled for deportation but whose deportation has been withheld
7) aliens granted “conditional entry”
8) battered alien women from any country who are welcomed under the Violence Against Women Act of 2000; and
9) victims of “severe forms of trafficking” who are brought to America and covered under the Trafficking Victims Protection Act of 2000.[2]
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