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You are arguing my point. I am talking about ALL people like that. I don't consider myself Christian or Catholic.
He doesn't think like I do, believe me. Sometimes he annoys the out of me, but he makes me laugh enough to overcome it. We're not going to agree what being an intellectual is because it is subjective, so I'll leave it at that ( do note I am a university lecturer). He's generally considered funny and that does require some mental wit to say the least.
You are arguing my point. I am talking about ALL people like that. I don't consider myself Christian or Catholic.
bush said he talked to god.....after.
he know's he didn't talk to god. he said that to abuse it's only power.
I'm quite convinced he's delusional enough to have spoken to god. He did that every time he authorized an execution. The funny part is that we lead the nation in exonerations. God is never wrong.
he knows how to reel in the suckers.I'm quite convinced he's delusional enough to have spoken to god. He did that every time he authorized an execution. The funny part is that we lead the nation in exonerations. God is never wrong.
People who are born-again christians talk to God all the time - it's called praying. And yes, God answers - not in an audible voice, but He answers nonetheless.
Does God only speak to born-again Christians?
I consider it quite rude to pray and ask God for things. What about the Divine plan? A little prayer is supposed to make God change it? Seems a very condescending way to treat someone who's supposed to be your friend.
I wouldn't presume to answer for God.
You just did when you said God talks to born-again Christians.
Dude I had them on the ropes before you waltzed in. They were folding like cheap suits.
Let me ask you this - do you ask for something every time you talk to your father? Or do you just have conversations? Well, God is our heavenly father and it's the same way with him. But the bible does say that God wants to give good things to his children.
And let me leave you with a quote from C.S. Lewis. It was during the time his wife was dying and he was spending hours in prayer. One of his fellow professors asked him - "do you think your prayers are going to change God's mind and he'll heal your wife?" Lewis replied, "I don't pray in order to change God, I pray in order to change me."
No - I said born-again christians talk to God and He answers. It's up to God if he wants to talk to others - but God doesn't force himself on those who don't want Him.
Right, you answered for God, saying he answers an entire class of people when they talk to him.
I don't think it's a big deal, but you did answer for him.
You know - you're screen name really describes you. You asked if God only spoke to born-again christians and I answered I didn't know. All I know is that christians talk to God and he answers - but the prayer is initiated by us, not by God. So if God talks to other people, that's up to Him and it's something I don't know and really don't care about.
But yes, God does answer an entire class of people - when they go to him in prayer. Is that answer good enough for you? If not, why don't you try talking to God and see if He answers YOU.
because Scientology is not even a religion. It's a ing joke. The founder is spossed to be an alien, or ed by an alien or something.
Tom Cruise practices it for christ sake
I made no comment on your belief. I only mentioned that you indeed presumed to speak for God.
Praise God. You're part of His plan.
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"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man."
-Thomas Jefferson
i like it when people make up stories about god talking to them. it's a good place to lay the blame.
Good so far
WhoopsAll I know is that christians talk to God and he answers
So?- but the prayer is initiated by us, not by God.
But you know he talks to other Christians. You're answering for him. Get it?So if God talks to other people, that's up to Him and it's something I don't know and really don't care about.
Do you know anything about scientology?
This is a somewhat-paraphrased version of the following:
I think you could make a good argument Jefferson was anti-religion but, there is ample evidence he was not an athiest and some support that he was, in fact, a Christian.
Consider the following, from the archives in various volumes at Monticello:
That he was an athiest was contested during the election in which he won the presidency, I believe. But, in my short googling, I don't find if he ever directly responded to the assertion.1787 August 10. (Jefferson to Peter Carr). "Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because, if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."
1803 April 21. (Jefferson to Benjamin Rush). "To the corruptions of Christianity I am indeed, opposed; but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself. I am a Christian, in the only sense in which he wished any one to be; sincerely attached to his doctrines, in preference to all others; ascribing to himself every human excellence; and believing he never claimed any other."
1814 September 26. (Jefferson to Miles King). "I must ever believe that religion substantially good which produces an honest life, and we have been authorized by One whom you and I equally respect, to judge of the tree by its fruit. Our particular principles of religion are a subject of accountability to our God alone. I inquire after no man's, and trouble none with mine; nor is it given to us in this life to know whether your or mine, our friends or our foes, are exactly the right."
1823 April 11. (Jefferson to John Adams). "The truth is that the greatest enemies to the doctrines of Jesus are those calling themselves the expositors of them, who have perverted them for the structure of a system of fancy absolutely incomprehensible, and without any foundation in his genuine words. And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away all this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this the most venerated reformer of human errors."
I think the quotes above, that both pre-date and post-date yours, demonstrate he believed in God and in Jesus but, while he doesn't address whether or not Jesus is the Messiah, he doesn't discount it, either.
I didn't say he wasn't a Christian. I'm just trying to imply that Jefferson recognized the destructiveness of religion.
"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes." -Jefferson
As do we all...I hope.
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