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National campaigns. I got several emails asking for donations and I know DailyKos tried (and did) to raise a great deal of funds in 24 hours.
Or, he read the bill as closely as did most legislators of the Stimulus bill.
Not every piece of legislation becomes a hill one is willing to die on, even when there are provisions with which you disagree.
That doesn't make you a hypocrite, it makes you a politician -- a realist one, at that.
Now, if you find me some quotes with him extolling the virtues of providing health care to illegal aliens, indicating he had exerted the same amount of effort to understand every nuance of that bill, as he has the current HR3200...you might have a point.
National campaigns. I got several emails asking for donations and I know DailyKos tried (and did) to raise a great deal of funds in 24 hours.
thats what i said...he's a liar!
What really counts is what is being given by the people who will be voting for them.
Not that it counts in whether or not he's re-elected but, that it counts in whether or not he should feel humiliated. As long as his cons uents are happy with him...he's golden.
Someone took the time to assemble this so, I thought, why not put it in here. Seemed topical.
Democrat civility on display...
(And don’t forget this from Al Gore.)
Certainly, I would interested in seeing a similar collection of Republicans (or others) engaged in similar behavior. And, feel free to put the above in their proper context if you think it will justify the behavior.
Also, please note that I excluded several clips that featured radical organizations and personalities because, well, it is unreasonable to expect civility from the likes of Bill Maher, Keith Olbermann, Code Pink, that Moore guy, and others.
I thought it'd be better if we stuck to our elected officials, from whom I think it is reasonable to expect a modi of respectful behavior.
I see two that are relevant, so I guess that's more than one.
Does that excuse Wilson's behavior?
How tall is Rahm? 5'5?
Dude looks like he could get down though. Isn't he ex-Israeli special forces or some ?
Nope. Just highlights the hypocrisy of Democrats.
It also demonstrates how disingenuous is their declarations of shock over the break in decorum and display of incivility.
And, I was serious about finding similar videos of Republicans. I'm positive I can find more with Democrats featured because, I remember rants that aren't highlighted here...particularly in Committee footage. But, I'm not as convinced a similar collection can be mustered demonstrating Republican incivility.
So your only defense of Wilson's behavior is "Democrats do it too!"
Hypocrisy, indeed.
And, while not completely relevant to this thread, it is a break in decorum, of sorts. It's also damn funny...
A Tale of 140 Characters, Plus the Ones in Congress
It's a case of Twittering while Rome burns.
President Obama spoke of economic calamity and war last night in that solemn rite of democracy, the address to the joint session of Congress. And lawmakers watched him with the dignity Americans have come to expect of their leaders: They whipped out their BlackBerrys and began sending text messages like high school kids bored in math class.
"One doesn't want to sound snarky, but it is nice not to see Cheney up there," Rep. Earl Blumenauer (D-Ore.) announced as Obama entered the chamber.
"I did big wooohoo for Justice Ginsberg," Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) broadcast, misspelling the name of the ailing Supreme Court justice. McCaskill could be seen applauding with BlackBerry in one hand.
"Capt Sully is here -- awesome!" announced Rep. John Culberson (R-Tex.), spotting the US Airways pilot in the gallery.
Then there was Rep. Joe Barton (R-Tex.), in whose name this text message was sent at about the time the president spoke of the need to pull the country together: "Aggie basketball game is about to start on espn2 for those of you that aren't going to bother watching pelosi smirk for the next hour." A few minutes later, another message came through: "Disregard that last Tweet from a staffer."
It's bad enough that Americans are paralyzed by economic jitters. Now the president has to deal with lawmakers paralyzed by Twitter. At a time of national emergency, when America needs the focused attention of contemplative and reflective lawmakers, they are dispatching rapid-fire thoughts in 140 characters or less.
I'm not defending his behavior. I just said, in fact, that what I posted did not excuse it.
I just find it noteworthy that Pelosi and Reid, et. al. can feign indignation with such straight faces. Could be the botox, I suppose.
So you wish to distract from or discount the wrongness of Wilson's behavior by bringing up the behavior of others.
That's understandable, just don't get upset when others use the same tactic.
Nope, I'm having a side conversation on incivility in general and trying to engage you in a discussion of Democrat hypocrisy in how they view it.
Frankly, I think Wilson's outburst is sufficiently understood to have been a breech of Congressional decorum. I agree, it was wrong. He apologized for it. And, the apology was accepted by the man he offended.
I just think it's significant and warranted to point out how hypocritical Democrats are being.
I'm also wondering why President Obama calling Sarah Palin a liar, while addressing that august body, isn't held to be a similar break of decorum. I suppose it could be he was an invited guest and, as such, is granted a certain amount of la ude. But, being that he is a former member of that body, I don't think he can plead ignorance of the fact that issuing such epithets are, apparently, grave offenses in that chamber.
What do you think?
Nah. You want to stop talking about Wilson.
Let us never speak of him again....Frankly, I think Wilson's outburst is sufficiently understood to have been a breech of Congressional decorum. I agree, it was wrong. He apologized for it. And, the apology was accepted by the man he offended.
Politicians? Hypocritical?I just think it's significant and warranted to point out how hypocritical Democrats are being.
Because he didn't yell it while she was giving a speech. It's pretty simple, but I know -- anything to keep from talking about Wilson now....I'm also wondering why President Obama calling Sarah Palin a liar, while addressing that august body, isn't held to be a similar break of decorum.
I think people shouldn't yell to interrupt presidential speeches.I suppose it could be he was an invited guest and, as such, is granted a certain amount of la ude. But, being that he is a former member of that body, I don't think he can plead ignorance of the fact that issuing such epithets are, apparently, grave offenses in that chamber.
What do you think?
Or boo him while he's entering the chamber.
That's as relevant as your posts have gotten in this thread, but please -- keep trying to go off on a tangent. Joe needs the distraction.
Only in the sense that I'm not sure what else I could say.
It was a breech of decorum. It was wrong.
Nah, go ahead and speak of him if want...
Any less of a suitable topic than Politicians being boorish and incivil to one another? I don't think so.
That doesn't make it any less offensive to Congressional decorum. I'm not sure I can recall any president, in my lifetime, calling someone a liar during a speech to a joint session of Congress.
I haven't avoided talking about Wilson but, you sure seem to be avoiding talking about anything else.
Nor do I. I also think the speakers should respect the dignity and solemnity of the chamber as well. Do you?
Agreed.
I'm able to follow more than one thread of conversation, I just don't know what else you expect to discover by continuing a conversation over a topic in which we've reached agreement.
Joe Wilson was wrong to break decorum and shout "You lie!" during President Obama's speech. He's admitted. He's apologized for it. And, his apology has been accepted by President Obama and by the President of the Senate, Vice President Biden.
That kind of evokes the question of why the majority leaders of both houses seem so reluctant to accept the same.
Do you think President Obama should apologize to Sarah Palin?
How many speeches do you remember?
Except I did. You just didn't like what I posted, so you pretended it didn't happen.I haven't avoided talking about Wilson but, you sure seem to be avoiding talking about anything else.
I think the speaker did. Wilson and Palin can call Obama liars in their speeches too -- but again, you just want to condemn opinion with which you do not agree.Nor do I. I also think the speakers should respect the dignity and solemnity of the chamber as well. Do you?
We haven't, because you keep trying to mitigate Wilson's behavior.I'm able to follow more than one thread of conversation, I just don't know what else you expect to discover by continuing a conversation over a topic in which we've reached agreement.
Did they shout "You lie!" during President Obama's speech?Joe Wilson was wrong to break decorum and shout "You lie!" during President Obama's speech. He's admitted. He's apologized for it. And, his apology has been accepted by President Obama and by the President of the Senate, Vice President Biden.
That kind of evokes the question of why the majority leaders of both houses seem so reluctant to accept the same.
No, they didn't. It's not the same, no matter how much you want it to be.
No, she is free to call him a liar if she wants to.Do you think President Obama should apologize to Sarah Palin?
The death panel was a big lie.
Sarah Palin lied.
Sarah Palin is a liar.
I will not apologize to Sarah Pallin because she is a liar.
, I don't know...dozens of instances from committee hearing and floor debate; on the news, C-Span, and YouTube. Do you deny Congressmen can be offensive assholes when their exerting their authority from a chairman's seat overlooking the witness table? Or, when they're debating an issue from the floor of their respective chambers?
I've invited you to produce similar footage of Republicans doing the same but, no, instead you want to interrogate me over my observation.
Actually, I'm not pretending. I honestly don't remember you responding to anything I've posed -- not related to Wilson -- that didn't end in your haranguing me about wanting to change the topic. Pardon me for being distracted.
So, if Ms. Palin or Congressman Wilson (more likely) have an opportunity to address the chamber, it would be within protocols for them to say President Obama is a liar? It matters to you from where the accusation is made?
I didn't condemn it, I merely pointed out President Obama called someone a liar during a joint session of Congress. And, I asked if you thought it was a breech of decorum and if you thought he should apologize.
You answered the first question. You don't think it is. Fine. I guess I can assume you don't think an apology is warranted, as well. Also fine. I guess we're done with that topic, too.
How so? What Congressman Wilson did was wrong. He should have apologized for it and he did.
Is there a list, somewhere, of the precise things you must do, during a speech to the joint bodies that cons utes a breech of decorum and, "You lie!," is on it where booing and hissing isn't?
Is she free to do it in the same context as did Obama?
The "death panel" is a rhetorical instrument that describes the power bureaucrats will have over life and death decision under ObamaCare. There is plenty of anecdotal evidence to support that, in an effort to cut costs, government-run health care programs ration care and services that leads to patient demise.
"death panel" is just a demonstrative way of saying that.
No, she didn't. ObamaCare will have a panel that decides how much of what treatments will be allowed. It will ration care and that will result in deaths -- just like it does in other socialized health care programs around the world.
That may well be but, not in this instance and, not in under any cir stance I've seen.
Under that logic you shouldn't be asking Joe Wilson to apologize to President Obama either. But, he did.
I don't read and copy blogs all day. Parroting other people is your thing, not mine.
I did. Either you are still pretending or you are in denial or forgetful or incapable of comprehending.Actually, I'm not pretending. I honestly don't remember you responding to anything I've posed -- not related to Wilson -- that didn't end in your haranguing me about wanting to change the topic. Pardon me for being distracted.
Sure.So, if Ms. Palin or Congressman Wilson (more likely) have an opportunity to address the chamber, it would be within protocols for them to say President Obama is a liar?Sure.It matters to you from where the accusation is made?
And I answered.I didn't condemn it, I merely pointed out President Obama called someone a liar during a joint session of Congress. And, I asked if you thought it was a breech of decorum and if you thought he should apologize.
Duh. I actually said it wasn't warranted. You really can't comprehend.You answered the first question. You don't think it is. Fine. I guess I can assume you don't think an apology is warranted, as well. Also fine. I guess we're done with that topic, too.
By bringing up everyone else.How so?
I believe there actually is one for Congress.Is there a list, somewhere, of the precise things you must do, during a speech to the joint bodies that cons utes a breech of decorum and, "You lie!," is on it where booing and hissing isn't?
In a speech? Yes.Is she free to do it in the same context as did Obama?
It's a lie.The "death panel" is a rhetorical instrument that describes the power bureaucrats will have over life and death decision under ObamaCare. There is plenty of anecdotal evidence to support that, in an effort to cut costs, government-run health care programs ration care and services that leads to patient demise.
Demonstrative of a lie."death panel" is just a demonstrative way of saying that.
No, that's a lie. You are repeating the lie. You are a liar. Just like Palin. Just like you were in the past.No, she didn't. ObamaCare will have a panel that decides how much of what treatments will be allowed. It will ration care and that will result in deaths -- just like it does in other socialized health care programs around the world.
You have proved you can't even recall something from one post before.That may well be but, not in this instance and, not in under any cir stance I've seen.
There you go again -- failing to comprehend....Same old Yoni....nothing has changed....Under that logic you shouldn't be asking Joe Wilson to apologize to President Obama either. But, he did.
Okay, I guess we're done here then. See you in another thread.
damn. mofos going at it
Riiiight. I'm an Obamapologist.
Neither side has a monopoly on civility, and you'd be hard pressed to find a Democratic politician who said they did.
Did Joe Wilson lie about having been an immigration attorney?
he probably remembers seeing a busboy at a restaurant.
If he saw food on his plate, he probably had an immigrant to thank for it.
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