Illegal Allien Care

[Wild Cobra]

* There is an exception in the law — the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.

You answered your own question to me.

[nuclearfm]

Depends on how you interpret that. The newly born are not subject to our jurisdiction, because they are innocent at birth. Their parents however are from the jurisdiction of another country.

Trust me. I know the cons utional passage.

Not only is is not completely true and misinterpreted, it does not apply. Many refugees are under no jurisdiction matters like this. Undo ented workers, tourists are also subject to our jurisdiction just for being here.

Innocence(being a minor) has no bearing on citizenship, consisted with the 14th amendment. Procedural due process rights requires that certain steps, such as a hearing, be followed before a person's "life, liberty, citizenship or property" can be taken away. It is theirs to claim at any date. This has been the historical precedent.

If you really wish that a precedent be set that changed or limited birthrights, within a whilm of popular support. Would you support those changes for any individual? If a new majority take over congress and declare all of those of European decent, no longer citizens, but resident Aliens? Would you be ok with such a precedent of popular birthright criteria? I'm guessing you'd your pants.

The framers of the Fourteenth Amendment added this principle into the Cons ution to keep the Supreme Court from ruling the Civil Rights Act of 1866 to be uncons utional for want of congressional authority to pass such a law or a future Congress from altering it by a bare majority vote.

[nuclearfm]

If you don't like it, amend the Cons ution.

That is what Ron Paul wanted to do. Hilarious at that. The idea that someone wants to subjectively change birthrights for children cir vents many equality and protection clauses just in the cons ution among others. People like this fail to see that popular support can easily take away their citizenship with this standard.

Not only did it protect blacks, it protected whites from majority black states. It essentially treated all of us equal. We should all cherish that.

[Winehole23]

You answered your own question to me.

The child of a diplomat is not exempt because of his innocence or his parents' country of origin, but because his official place of residence is an embassy -- i.e., foreign soil.

[Winehole23]

WC's argument is basically that all US authorities have misread the 14th amendment as it pertains to citizenship, and that his own very strained and tendentious reading is the only correct one.

[SpurNation]

Really? What do you think hing is?

Edit: You could argue that hing isn't necessarily forced, but HIGHLY encouraged...I would see that as a poor argument, however.

Highly encouraged is not the same as forced.

And let me be clear. I'm not against taxes. Taxes are needed to provide for the "simple", "necessary" functions of government.

What's argued is what is deemed necessary. To some extent I could see how "taking care of" illegal alliens could be necessary.

I could also probably guarantee, just by listening to the majority of people I talk to, that many of the government mandated programs in existence today...if actually voted by the citizens of this country instead of a representative of a district...would not be in existence.

But that's our system. As a citizen I have to abide by our system no matter how disingenuous I feel it is against my own beliefs or how much it takes away from my ability to chosse for myself.

The great thing about human nature though...it can adapt and survive. That's what our politicians count on the most. Human ability to adapt no matter how absurd the law is that we have to abide.

But at some time in people's lives (no matter their education or adaptability) there does come a breaking point. I see us as a nation that is becoming increasingly sensitive to our breaking points.

My breaking point is providing for those that don't contribute.

I work my ass off in providing a llife for my family (as I'm sure you do too) and I'm being made to feel fortunate by my government that I can? When has it ever been the case until recently (past 40 years) that one should ever feel fortunate for being a "citizen" of this country when it used to be an honor?

[Wild Cobra]

The child of a diplomat is not exempt because of his innocence or his parents' country of origin, but because his official place of residence is an embassy -- i.e., foreign soil.

Really?

Wow. I guess I'm stupid to understand they live in the local economy, but work at the embassy.

[hope4dopes]

So just let them die?

That is up to the Mexican goverment since they're mexican citizens.But if you feel compelled please, with the help of a few friends why don't band together and use your money time and energy to help out the poor mexicans, and allow us to keep our time money and enrgy to raise our children, to give them and our famlies the fruit of our labor.

[LnGrrrR]

Depends on how you interpret that. The newly born are not subject to our jurisdiction, because they are innocent at birth. Their parents however are from the jurisdiction of another country.

Trust me. I know the cons utional passage.

Anyone born on United States soil is subject to our jurisdiction. There are specific examples, like diplomats, because those diplomats are not subject to all of our laws as citizens are.

Besides which, the American system of justice is one that is based on common law rather than civil law, and you'll be hardpressed to find a court ruling that would rule that a person born to an illegal immigrant on US soil is not a citizen of the United States.

[LnGrrrR]

That is up to the Mexican goverment since they're mexican citizens.But if you feel compelled please, with the help of a few friends why don't band together and use your money time and energy to help out the poor mexicans, and allow us to keep our time money and enrgy to raise our children, to give them and our famlies the fruit of our labor.

Wow, talk about a strawman. Impressive.

[ChumpDumper]

What is Spanish for straw man?

[nuclearfm]

That is up to the Mexican goverment since they're mexican citizens.But if you feel compelled please, with the help of a few friends why don't band together and use your money time and energy to help out the poor mexicans, and allow us to keep our time money and enrgy to raise our children, to give them and our famlies the fruit of our labor.

Either that, or we could make the people who brought them over here and/or employed them pay the bill. However, many of those people would likely be called "rich" and therefore patriots not to be included in blame.

[hope4dopes]

Either that, or we could make the people who brought them over here and/or employed them pay the bill. However, many of those people would likely be called "rich" and therefore patriots not to be included in blame.

That'll work too as long as they both get their sorry asses thrown in jail and or deported I'm good with that.
And for the record California has the largest number of illegals in america, and it's a democrat state LA and SF being resoponsible for that, the largest number of illegals in America are being hired by plenty of Democrats, that's why the Union's betrayl is especially unforgivable, that's why when a Democrat tells the workers they want to protects them, the workers need to look up to see what's coming down.

[hope4dopes]

Wow, talk about a strawman. Impressive.

Wow talk about side stepping that's impressive.

[nuclearfm]

That'll work too as long as they both get their sorry asses thrown in jail and or deported I'm good with that.
And for the record California has the largest number of illegals in america, and it's a democrat state LA and SF being resoponsible for that, the largest number of illegals in America are being hired by plenty of Democrats, that's why the Union's betrayl is especially unforgivable, that's why when a Democrat tells the workers they want to protects them, the workers need to look up to see what's coming down.

#1 They'll leave if they can't work here
#2 Both major parties are killing the middle class. Money gets you things, no matter who is listening.

[LnGrrrR]

Wow talk about side stepping that's impressive.

1) Who's to say he doesn't help?
2) Is it necessary to have monetary/time involvement in order to share one's opinions?
3) What do you mean by "our children"? If you're referring to your immediate family alone, you help pay for poor children all over the United States through taxes. If you're referring to "our children" as being American, then children born to illegal immigrants are "our children" as well.

I'm sure there's more premises I could skewer, but the Pats game is on in an hour and a half.

[hope4dopes]

#1 They'll leave if they can't work here
#2 Both major parties are killing the middle class. Money gets you things, no matter who is listening.

There's been plenty of bills brought to law by the citizens of the state of california to both deny illegals benifits, and to punish employers, there's been bills to force verification. all these things the citizens forced onto the political class, and through the courts and a system of de facto amnesty through sanctuary cities like LA and SF illegals and those that use them know the laws the people vote for will not be enforced. In california that can be laid at the doorstep of the democrat party, but I agree both parties are up to their hocks in it and both have declared war on the American worker.

[hope4dopes]

1) Who's to say he doesn't help?
2) Is it necessary to have monetary/time involvement in order to share one's opinions?
3) What do you mean by "our children"? If you're referring to your immediate family alone, you help pay for poor children all over the United States through taxes. If you're referring to "our children" as being American, then children born to illegal immigrants are "our children" as well.

I'm sure there's more premises I could skewer, but the Pats game is on in an hour and a half.

I suggest you go watch it dolt.

[hope4dopes]

#1 They'll leave if they can't work here
#2 Both major parties are killing the middle class. Money gets you things, no matter who is listening.

Dude seriously if I had it my way the employers wouldn't get fined they'd get mandatory jail time.

[SpurNation]

Dude seriously if I had it my way the employers wouldn't get fined they'd get mandatory jail time.

Applause.

That's the only way to curb the infestation on tax payer's dollars.

The same should hold true for individuals who hire illegals as well for personal life.

[hope4dopes]

Applause.

That's the only way to curb the infestation on tax payer's dollars.

The same should hold true for individuals who hire illegals as well for personal life.

Damn skippy

[LnGrrrR]

I suggest you go watch it dolt.

Ah, you were referring to the video? Since you didn't specify, I assumed you were responding to the person above you.

[hope4dopes]

Ah, you were referring to the video? Since you didn't specify, I assumed you were responding to the person above you.

Nope. of you go don't forget your pork rinds.

[LnGrrrR]

Nope. of you go don't forget your pork rinds.

Huh?

[Winehole23]

Chicharrones. Pig foam. Maybe micca thinks you're Jewish, or a Muslim.