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    Tell me. Didn't you believe the propaganda of late 2001/early 2002 that he was still in the classroom for seven minutes after he was told?
    I don't recall "seven minutes of silence" being a huge rallying cry back then, and I don't think it would have mattered to those people if it had been seven, five, or even three minutes.

    I was never in the camp of people who thought the President needed to spring into action the moment he got word. He had (supposedly) very capable people beneath him to handle the situation, and there's no reason for him to stop what he's doing until he is needed.

    But debating minutia like whether it was five or seven minutes (the "seven minutes" in F911 was based on a NYT recap that stated he was told about the planes at 9:05 am and he got up at 9:12... which is technically possible to do in a little more than 5 minutes) kind of misses the point, and it gives credibility to the argument that he needed to do anything within 5-7 minutes in the first place.

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    I don't recall "seven minutes of silence" being a huge rallying cry back then, and I don't think it would have mattered to those people if it had been seven, five, or even three minutes.
    Well, I don't think the two minutes matter much either. I do recall the "seven minutes." Like I say, how can we believe anything when they cannot get the unimportant facts strait?
    I was never in the camp of people who thought the President needed to spring into action the moment he got word. He had (supposedly) very capable people beneath him to handle the situation, and there's no reason for him to stop what he's doing until he is needed.
    I agree. Not only that, he had secure communications equipment available too. We really don't know all the fact. I would assume though that being initial information, they took five minutes to gather verifiable facts before the president even had reliable information to act upon.
    But debating minutia like whether it was five or seven minutes (the "seven minutes" in F911 was based on a NYT recap that stated he was told about the planes at 9:05 am and he got up at 9:12... which is technically possible to do in a little more than 5 minutes) kind of misses the point, and it gives credibility to the argument that he needed to do anything within 5-7 minutes in the first place.
    My point goes to the inaccuracy of facts. Again, why should people believe people that cannot get the small details right? My primary target is Michael Moore. He uses the 7 minutes in Fahrenheit 911. I cannot recall how many times I heard that repeated. Damn lib s.

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    Well, I don't think the two minutes matter much either. I do recall the "seven minutes." Like I say, how can we believe anything when they cannot get the unimportant facts strait?

    My point goes to the inaccuracy of facts. Again, why should people believe people that cannot get the small details right? My primary target is Michael Moore. He uses the 7 minutes in Fahrenheit 911. I cannot recall how many times I heard that repeated. Damn lib s.
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    Well, the point about those is that the way HB 3200 is written, it almost guarantees such a thing.

    Granted, it isn't written in, but look at everything as a whole. What else would they do?

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    LOL...

    I did use "facts." That's about it.
    My bad. I did use "propaganda" too.\

    My bad. Sue me.
    If you can't even get simple facts straight, why should we believe anything you say or post?

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