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Man... it's free dude!
...money: England example #4,237,273:
That's a "death" panel action, folks.“More than a quarter of families are not told when life support is withdrawn from terminally-ill loved ones, a report has found,” the London Daily Mail reported.
England devotes about 10% of its economy to caring for its sick and wounded people.“Experts warn that growing use of a controversial ‘death pathway’ is seeing some patients killed off prematurely,” the London Daily Mail reported.
“Earlier this month, a group of experts wrote to a national newspaper, saying the pathway was ending the lives of those who may have had months left in them,” the London Daily Mail reported.
The United States devotes 16%.
And we are criticized and England is praised?
The world has gone mad.
Man... it's free dude!
Can you show me where the single payer plan is in the current bills?
Now, now, chumpy don't confuse them with facts.. you'll ruin the talking point..
End-of-life care in USA, ICUs, $5000/month chemo, etc, like funerals, are HUGE business, not "devoted" exercises in sympathetic humanitarianism.
I'd love to know how much was spent on Dirty Dancer (my guess is better part of $1M in 18 months), when EVERYBODY knows pancreatic cancer is relentless, inescapable killer, always terminal.
iow, $1M bought DD an additional 3 months, 3 weeks?
death panel is excellent demagogic phrasing, but it's still counter-productive to intelligent discussion of a very difficult end-of-life subject that US society has not addressed.
Meanwhile, the health care business will stuff its pockets with $Bs "taking care" of terminal patients, aka, milk cows.
And Yoni's perennially tortured logic of "America really doesn't have a comparatively horrible peri-natal mortality rate because America saves more preemies" is ridiculous.
Many preemies just aren't viable.
The technology and skills to save them are impressive (we can save them), but very often preemies grow into children and young adults with all kinds of chronic diseases and weaknesses due to their bodies' systems (heart, lungs, immune, kidneys, etc) not being fully developed and not completing maturation after premature birth. (but should we save them?)
But that very richly runs up the health care revenues for their entire, probably shortened, lifetime, while impoverishing the parents. BOL and EOL questions are very difficult, but richly rewarding for the health profit system.
The real question is why "The rate of premature birth has increased by 36 percent since the early 1980s"
http://www.marchofdimes.com/professi...14332_1157.asp
What the 's gone wrong with women? and/or men's sperm in the last 30+ years?
100s of 1000s of years of species-strengthening natural selection in very adverse cir stance got us here, and now we have created a "lifestyle" (essentially bad diet and pervasive chemical pollution) that weakens and reverses the most fundamental strengths of the species.
^^^ Are you suggesting that terminal patients and premature births be denied health coverage because of their condition?
That's what I perceive in this post.
Yet a single payer system isn't in any bills in the senate or congress.. don't let facts get in the way of a good rant..
This must be why the United Kingdom has a higher life expectancy than the US.
"That's what I perceive in this post."
were you a preemie? brain-damaged?
The GOVT ain't getting involved with your HEALTHCARE!!
This thousand page, multi-billion dollar health care bill...pfftt. Don't worry about it, man.
Buncha paranoid crazies.
Wait, so there is mention of single-payer in the bill?
Absolutely not. OBAMA is totally abandoning the public option altogether.
People worried about GOVT taking over the Health care industry...are just paranoid losers. Cuz, govt wont take it over...they'll just make it free. I mean, c'mon...this is a good thing.
You don't know the difference between single-payer and public option? Kinda sad.
You can stop now.People worried about GOVT taking over the Health care industry...are just paranoid losers. Cuz, govt wont take it over...they'll just make it free. I mean, c'mon...this is a good thing.
Single payer is out...but the public option is in? The public option will still give me free healthcare wont it? I mean, I don't really care what they call it...as long as it's free, and the govt ain't involved in running anything.
Last edited by SouthernFried; 09-16-2009 at 09:25 AM.
...errrrr
Nobody claims it's free, or that government is uninvolved. You're impersonating absent speakers. Fall out of love with your own strawman already.
Feel free to join the conversation anytime you like, SF.
Or be a broken record. Up to you.
there was a pretty unpopular dude who realized this
adolf hitler
/thread (godwin)
Hitler card!!
Eugenics has nothing to do with my comments. You a preemie, too?
GF, GFY
What...it's not free, and govt is involved?
Well..well...how much is it gonna cost me? And how much is govt gonna control things?
Damn, I thought govt wasn't gonna run anything and it would free. What about those who can't afford it? I heard it was gonna cost billions, but...it would be free to those who can't afford it.
Do you know what insurance mandates are? McCain ran on it, Obama ran against it. Now it's in the Baucus bill.
TANSTAAFL.
It's also a good thing we don't have socialized medicine for old people in the US.
this is stupid because as any discussion's length approaches infinity, the chance that X topic arises approaches 100%
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics
Natural selection != eugenics
Fail
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