45% of doctors may quit under Obamacare

[TDMVPDPOY]

the short supply of doctors, the govt would just import more indian doctors into the country on cheaper rates, or outsource the ....

hence just wait till nurses and can start writing out prescribe medicine cause of the shortage of doctors and backhaul of the system cause too many patients are freeloading the system over small health problems....

[NoOptionB]

I think medical school costs and length of training are effectively a barrier to entry.

Other industrial countries have quite a few more doctors-per-100K capita than USA and still they spend a lot less per capita on health care and deliver care to everybody.

And USA has horrible deficit in primary care docs, and it's disastrous in rural areas.

I doubt doctors, esp specialists, in other countries start practicing with $150K in school debts.

America's health system is screwed in so many ways, and is so far behind health care delivery in other countries.

Yes. It's too bad government has to come up with 1k pages of agenda-pushing bull and just can't actually hammer away simply and effectively [in plain english] at the problems.

Generation changing greatness is in their hands, but because of their nature they can never carry it out.

[ducks]

So what do all these doctors plan on doing after they close their practices?

play golf

[chode_regulator]

BREAKING NEWS: 45% of Cars May Be Crushed By Dinosaur Rampages

A study just released yesterday showed that, if scientists were to enact the plot of Jurassic Park in real life, nearly 45% of cars might be destroyed by wandering dinosaurs. Asked for comment, scientist Gene Splicer said, "It's a serious issue, one that the American public isn't looking at closely enough. Look, if we were ever to pull something like this off, let's face it, these things weigh TONS. There's going to be lots of crushed cars trampled underfoot, and John Q Public is going to want some answers to big questions. Questions like, 'Why would you even bring dinosaurs back to life?' And the President is going to need to have some answers."

The poll, conducted by Rasmussen, asked participants, "If a 20 foot tall dinosaur were to step on your car while running across the street, do you think your car would be able to withstand the pressure unscathed?" 45% of respondents said they thought their car would be crushed, 15% said they thought their car could withstand the damage, and 40% wondered what the word unscathed meant, and argued whether it was a 'real' word or not. When assured it was a real word, 20% said it's probably just another fancy word used by elite liberals.

Back to you in the studio, Norm....

While I admit this is a funny response, you do understand the basis of statistics correct?

[ChumpDumper]

Not everybody...just ask the 250K people the British unplugged without talking to the families, last year.

So where is the single payer plan in any of the current bills in Congress?

[George Gervin's Afro]

what is the obamacare bill say? I haven't seen it yet. Can anyone provide a copy or link that sends me to the Obamacare bill? Seriously we have polls based on things that don't exist so I want to be better informed. What are these people against? All Obama has proposed is healthcare reform. Are all of these people against heathcare reform?

[LnGrrrR]

While I admit this is a funny response, you do understand the basis of statistics correct?

Of course. However, I'm also well aware how poll questions can be massaged to provide certain answers. Until I see a few more polls showing the same results, it's somewhat jumping the gun to take this poll at complete face value.

[101A]

Haven't read the thread, and don't know if this has been covered, but the doctors I know are HORRIBLE managers of money; (they make a lot of money, but they SPEND a lot of money) - NO WAY they could quit - they don't save (and their wives like shiny things).

[jman3000]

Company's should start doing a Japan style workout thing prior to the shift starting. Maybe a voluntary 30 minute stretch period or whatever they do in exchange for a rebate on what you pay into the company's healthcare. It seems small but if it became a cultural thing it'd have pretty big implications.

[LnGrrrR]

Company's should start doing a Japan style workout thing prior to the shift starting. Maybe a voluntary 30 minute stretch period or whatever they do in exchange for a rebate on what you pay into the company's healthcare. It seems small but if it became a cultural thing it'd have pretty big implications.

People could just join the military. We get alot of that in here.

[boutons_deux]

"250K people the British unplugged"

link?

Ask any Brit (or other industrial country) if they would swap their health system for US health disaster.

[TFloss32]

And what are the numbers of people in med school, residency, internships? I'd also like to see the raw data of this poll.

I'd like to see the credentials on what it takes to be considered an "uninsured American." It's like Basketball Without Borders, just insert healthcare.

you left out "most expensive" and "least accessible", but let's not t quibble over details

The healthcare is plan is ridiculously expensive as well. And how does healthcare become more accessible with 47 million people thrown in the mix and everyone (including those already insured) goes to the doctor/hopsitals for anything and everything?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Fox runs wild with "not scientific" IBD poll
http://mediamatters.org/items/200909170025

Several Fox News media figures highlighted a recent Investor's Business Daily/TIPP poll which found that "[t]wo of every three practicing physicians oppose the medical overhaul plan under consideration in Washington, and hundreds of thousands would think about shutting down their practices or retiring early if it were adopted." However, according to statistician Nate Silver, the poll is "simply not credible," and Fox News itself acknowledged that the poll is "not scientific."
Silver, Fox News undermine IBD/TIPP poll's credibility
Nate Silver: Poll is "simply not credible." In a September 16 post to his blog FiveThirtyEight.com, Silver listed five reasons why the IBD poll should be "completely ignore[d]":

1. The survey was conducted by mail, which is unusual. The only other mail-based poll that I'm aware of is that conducted by the Columbus Dispatch, which was associated with an average error of about 7 percentage points -- the highest of any pollster that we tested.

2. At least one of the questions is blatantly biased: "Do you believe the government can cover 47 million more people and it will cost less money and th quality of care will be better?". Holy run-on-sentence, Batman? A pollster who asks a question like this one is not intending to be objective.

3. As we learned during the Presidntial campaign -- when, among other things, they had John McCain winning the youth vote 74-22 -- the IBD/TIPP polling operation has literally no idea what they're doing. I mean, literally none. For example, I don't trust IBD/TIPP to have competently selected anything resembling a random panel, which is harder to do than you'd think.

4. They say, somewhat ambiguously: "Responses are still coming in." This is also highly unorthodox. Professional pollsters generally do not report results before the survey period is compete.

5. There is virtually no disclosure about methodology. For example, IBD doesn't bother to define the term "practicing physician", which could mean almost anything. Nor do they explain how their randomization procedure worked, provide the entire question battery, or anything like that.

Silver added: "There are pollsters out there that have an agenda but are highly competent, and there are pollsters that are nonpartisan but not particularly skilled. Rarely, however, do you find the whole package: that special pollster which is both biased and inept. IBD/TIPP is one of the few exceptions."

Your World aired an on-screen graphic calling the poll "not scientific." During Neil Cavuto's discussion of the IBD/TIPP poll on the September 16 edition of Fox News' Your World, the on-screen graphic indicated that the poll was "not scientific":

[LnGrrrR]

Again:

Of course. However, I'm also well aware how poll questions can be massaged to provide certain answers. Until I see a few more polls showing the same results, it's somewhat jumping the gun to take this poll at complete face value.

[coyotes_geek]

Use of non-scientific polls in media stories is the norm these days. Every network and newspaper with a website has a new one daily. Strangely, people only seem to worry about how scientific those polls are when they return results not to their liking.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Use of non-scientific polls in media stories is the norm these days. Every network and newspaper with a website has a new one daily. Strangely, people only seem to worry about how scientific those polls are when they return results not to their liking.

or some are over reliant on useless polls..

[coyotes_geek]

or some are over reliant on useless polls..

Just a hunch, but I'm guessing that blue team is not over reliant on polls, but red team is. And the polls blue team uses are far more reliable than the ones red team uses.