Obama Kills Missile Defense Plan

[exstatic]

Germany went in, under cover of the non-aggression pact, wiped the floor with the Poles, rolled over them in a couple of days, then occupied the capital, and probably 75-80% of the country. Russia, after this was all over, occupied a pre-agreed upon small corridor of the Eastern part of the former Poland, and you think they ing invaded Poland.

[coyotes_geek]

Stupid? I'm not the one that said Russia invaded Poland in 1939, was I? Was the word Blitzkreig coined to show the speed and efficiency of the Russian invasion of Poland? Nope. They were politically complicit, but that's not really the same thing at all as an invasion.

The invasion was planned by Stalin, Kliment Voroshilov, Boris Shaposhnikov, and Grigory Kulik. A few hours before it began, already on September 17, 1939, at 2 a.m., Stalin, with Molotov and Voroshilov, informed German ambassador in Moscow, Friedrich Werner von der Schulenburg, that Soviet troops would soon cross the border. Stalin said: "At 6 a.m., four hours from now, the Red Army will cross into Poland".[29]

The Red Army entered the eastern regions of Poland with seven field armies and between 450,000 and 1,000,000 troops.[4] These were deployed on two fronts: the Belarusian Front under Mikhail Kovalyov, and the Ukrainian Front under Semyon Timoshenko.[4]

[MannyIsGod]

Nothing like stabbing your allies in the back on the 70th anniversary of them getting invaded. What a wuss we have in the Oval Office.

Oh, and it's not just about this. Next up will be us turning our back on the likes Taiwan, Israel, and probably South Korea.

God one could only hope. Imagine that, other countries being responsible for themselves. Healthcare isn't a right for American citizens but god damn it the rest of the world has a right to security paid for by us. Wonder why this never comes up when discussing the deficit?

[exstatic]

I'm sure Poland felt really "invaded" by Russia at the end of 1939.

Regardless of the nitpicking of history, we already have a European missile defense system in place. It resides in silos in the Dakotas and Montana, and is all we'll ever need to keep Russia out of the EU. Anything else is probably ineffective, since it would be made today, redundant, and a defense contractor boondoggle.

[exstatic]

God one could only hope. Imagine that, other countries being responsible for themselves. Healthcare isn't a right for American citizens but god damn it the rest of the world has a right to security paid for by us. Wonder why this never comes up when discussing the deficit?

That.

[coyotes_geek]

I'm sure Poland felt really "invaded" by Russia at the end of 1939.

Seventy years after the fact it sure looks like Poland feels like they got invaded. But I'm sure you know their history much better than they do.

http://www.polskieradio.pl/thenews/p...solution_.html

[doobs]

I'm sure Poland felt really "invaded" by Russia at the end of 1939.

Regardless of the nitpicking of history, we already have a European missile defense system in place. It resides in silos in the Dakotas and Montana, and is all we'll ever need to keep Russia out of the EU. Anything else is probably ineffective, since it would be made today, redundant, and a defense contractor boondoggle.

"Nitpicking"? It's pretty simple, you were wrong.

[symple19]

Not surprising to see that the hard lefty's in here know nothing of geopolitics.

What most of you fail to understand is that there is a constant pissing contest going on in this particular region between us and the Russians. The missile defense system had nothing to do with deterring Russian ICBMs, and everything to do with showing our new NATO friends that we have a long standing interest in helping to defend them. Symbology, if you will. These two countries, in their various forms over time, were getting invaded by the Russians before the first settler ever stepped on American soil. And like I said, They have a long memory. Russia continues to attempt to exert influence over this area, an area that history has proven time and again to be one of the first to suc b to the horrors of war between the West and the East. If you think Putin and his new Oligarchy have no ambitions, whether economic or militarily, you are sadly mistaken. The only reason the Russians have calmed down of late is because their oil-dependent economy has collapsed in the on-going worldwide recession. The EU is, and will continue to be powerless to be a hedge against the Russians because they are so dependent on them for their oil. Thus, it falls to us to do this job.

The last few times we acted in an isolationist manner a couple wars broke out you guys may have heard of. WW1 and WW2.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

MOSCOW, Sept 17 (Reuters) - Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin will meet several top U.S. executives on Friday, including General Electric Co (GE.N) and Morgan Stanley (MS.N), the Russian government said on Thursday.
Putin's meetings with top Western executives are usually a precursor of major business deals. Earlier this year oil majors Total (TOTF.PA) and Royal Dutch/S (RDSa.L) announced plans to expand in Russia at meetings with Putin.
Talks with the U.S. firms follow a U.S. government decision to halt the deployment of a missile shield defence system in Europe, a move received positively by the Russian government. [ID:nLH510988]
The press service said Putin would meet David Bonderman, founding partner of one of the world's largest private equity firms, TPG [TPG.UL], and the chief executive of General Electric Co (GE.N), Jeff Immelt.
Putin will meet the executives in Russia's Black Sea resort of Sochi, which is hosting an investment forum. He will also hold talks with John Mack, who is to quit as CEO of Morgan Stanley (MS.N) at the start of 2010.
Last week, sources told Reuters that TPG, formerly known as Texas Pacific Group, and the private equity arm of Russian state bank VTB (VTBR.MM) bought a large stake in Russian hypermarket chain Lenta. [ID:nL7551568]
General Electric has announced plans to build new plants in Russia, while Morgan Stanley has had a continuous investment banking presence in the country since 1994. [ID:nLH949967] (Reporting by Gleb Bryanski; writing by Vladimir Soldatkin; editing by Simon Jessop)

[Viva Las Espuelas]

PRAGUE (Reuters) - Czech power group CEZ said on Monday it signed a contract with General Electric to supply wind turbines for its 600 megawatt, 1.1 billion euro ($1.6 billion) project in Romania -- the largest of its kind in Europe.
The planned two-stage wind farm will be around twice the size of the next biggest onshore wind farm in Europe and marks one of the largest recent foreign investments in European Union newcomer Romania.
Just over half the wind park is expected to come on line in 2010 and the rest a year later. GE is supplying the turbines for the initial stage.
GE will also supply 101 turbines for the second stage of the project that will generate 252.5 MW of the farm's planned total output, CEZ said in a statement. The wind park is aimed at offsetting emissions from CEZ's dirtier coal-fired power plants.
Eastern Europe, which relies mainly on coal and nuclear energy for its electricity production, is lagging behind its western neighbors in meeting EU renewable energy goals.
CEZ, central Europe's largest listed company, aims to boost spending on renewable energy due to an EU climate package proposal expected to push up costs for productions from fossil fuels starting in 2013.
The bloc wants 20 percent of its energy sourced from renewables by 2020, from under 10 percent now. It also wants to reduce dependency on Russian gas imports, particularly after recent tension over gas supplies between Russia and Ukraine.
Investors are drawn to Romania where they find a sympathetic ear from government eager for renewable power plants to bring them closer to EU goals while at the same time replacing outdated communist-era energy infrastructure.

[spursncowboys]

PRAGUE (Reuters) - Czech power group CEZ said on Monday it signed a contract with General Electric to supply wind turbines for its 600 megawatt, 1.1 billion euro ($1.6 billion) project in Romania -- the largest of its kind in Europe.
The planned two-stage wind farm will be around twice the size of the next biggest onshore wind farm in Europe and marks one of the largest recent foreign investments in European Union newcomer Romania.
Just over half the wind park is expected to come on line in 2010 and the rest a year later. GE is supplying the turbines for the initial stage.
GE will also supply 101 turbines for the second stage of the project that will generate 252.5 MW of the farm's planned total output, CEZ said in a statement. The wind park is aimed at offsetting emissions from CEZ's dirtier coal-fired power plants.
Eastern Europe, which relies mainly on coal and nuclear energy for its electricity production, is lagging behind its western neighbors in meeting EU renewable energy goals.
CEZ, central Europe's largest listed company, aims to boost spending on renewable energy due to an EU climate package proposal expected to push up costs for productions from fossil fuels starting in 2013.
The bloc wants 20 percent of its energy sourced from renewables by 2020, from under 10 percent now. It also wants to reduce dependency on Russian gas imports, particularly after recent tension over gas supplies between Russia and Ukraine.
Investors are drawn to Romania where they find a sympathetic ear from government eager for renewable power plants to bring them closer to EU goals while at the same time replacing outdated communist-era energy infrastructure.

Let the Oligopoly begin. In the name of help.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

yesterday's Blackwater and Halliburton
today's ACORN and GE

........but blackwater is still being employed by our government.

[clambake]

yesterday's Blackwater and Halliburton
today's ACORN and GE

........but blackwater is still being employed by our government.

blackwater bad now.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

blackwater bad now.

oh that's right. we didn't care before. why care now. got it.

[spursncowboys]

Blackwater was fighting terrorists. YOu know freedom fighters. the poor Iraqis were being attacked by these horrible Blackwater ppl.

[clambake]

oh that's right. we didn't care before.

right, you didn't care before.

why care now. got it.

you don't. but you brought it up.

[Cry Havoc]

Not surprising to see that the hard lefty's in here know nothing of geopolitics.

It's not surprising to see "righties" attempt to change the subject by listing something that happened 80 years ago, and then fixating on that, rather than actually discussing the issue in which they have very little ground to stand on.

Not surprising to see hard "righties" in here change the subject when they are unable to make a point and then generalize one individual to the entire group as proof they are right about an issue that has nothing to do with the subject at hand.

[coyotes_geek]

PRAGUE (Reuters) - Czech power group CEZ said on Monday it signed a contract with General Electric to supply wind turbines for its 600 megawatt, 1.1 billion euro ($1.6 billion) project in Romania -- the largest of its kind in Europe.
The planned two-stage wind farm will be around twice the size of the next biggest onshore wind farm in Europe and marks one of the largest recent foreign investments in European Union newcomer Romania.
Just over half the wind park is expected to come on line in 2010 and the rest a year later. GE is supplying the turbines for the initial stage.
GE will also supply 101 turbines for the second stage of the project that will generate 252.5 MW of the farm's planned total output, CEZ said in a statement. The wind park is aimed at offsetting emissions from CEZ's dirtier coal-fired power plants.
Eastern Europe, which relies mainly on coal and nuclear energy for its electricity production, is lagging behind its western neighbors in meeting EU renewable energy goals.
CEZ, central Europe's largest listed company, aims to boost spending on renewable energy due to an EU climate package proposal expected to push up costs for productions from fossil fuels starting in 2013.
The bloc wants 20 percent of its energy sourced from renewables by 2020, from under 10 percent now. It also wants to reduce dependency on Russian gas imports, particularly after recent tension over gas supplies between Russia and Ukraine.
Investors are drawn to Romania where they find a sympathetic ear from government eager for renewable power plants to bring them closer to EU goals while at the same time replacing outdated communist-era energy infrastructure.

I don't get the relevance.

[Cry Havoc]

I don't get the relevance.

There are tensions between the Czech Republic and Russia! They need a missile defense program! Tensions inevitably lead to thermonuclear war!

[doobs]

It's not surprising to see "righties" attempt to change the subject by listing something that happened 80 years ago, and then fixating on that, rather than actually discussing the issue in which they have very little ground to stand on.

Not surprising to see hard "righties" in here change the subject when they are unable to make a point and then generalize one individual to the entire group as proof they are right about an issue that has nothing to do with the subject at hand.

It was 70 years ago. Not that I'm fixating or anything!

[coyotes_geek]

There are tensions between the Czech Republic and Russia! They need a missile defense program! Tensions inevitably lead to thermonuclear war!

Well then, props to GE for figuring out how to make a buck before europe self destructs. Again.

[clambake]

Well then, props to GE for figuring out how to make a buck before europe self destructs. Again.

so....without this europe is going to self destruct?

[coyotes_geek]

so....without this europe is going to self destruct?

That's a question for VLE. I have no idea what GE selling wind turbines to a Czech utility has to do with Obama cancelling a missle defense system against the Czech government's wishes.

[LnGrrrR]

The last few times we acted in an isolationist manner a couple wars broke out you guys may have heard of. WW1 and WW2.

So we WEREN'T isolationist before WW1 and WW2, and only us BECOMING isolationist before those periods is what caused those wars? That's what you're saying?

[clambake]

That's a question for VLE. I have no idea what GE selling wind turbines to a Czech utility has to do with Obama cancelling a missle defense system against the Czech government's wishes.

maybe GE should carve a "B" on their face.