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    We can seal our border if we want. I remember when I...I mean my friend, couldn't get weed after 9-11 because the border was sealed. We can increase the number of visas from Mexico, but people and countries need to respect our borders. Atleast that is what a stupid racist American would say. Calling them illegals is so insensitive. they are undo ented immigrants. In fact immigrants is kind of insensitive. We should call them 'Almost American-Americans'.

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    We can seal our border if we want. I remember when I...I mean my friend, couldn't get weed after 9-11 because the border was sealed. We can increase the number of visas from Mexico, but people and countries need to respect our borders. Atleast that is what a stupid racist American would say. Calling them illegals is so insensitive. they are undo ented immigrants. In fact immigrants is kind of insensitive. We should call them 'Almost American-Americans'.
    so...you consistently hired illegals?

    you should be punished for destroying america.

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    I prefer "Pilgrims from Mexico"

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    Our prosperity is based on commerce. We can't close the borders.

    Control them better, yes. But any LE measures that unduly hinder trade are counterproductive.

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    I vote "hardworkers who drink tequila"

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    I prefer "Pilgrims from Mexico"
    thats a good idea.

    .....lets smooth things over and just give them el paso.

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    So basically your stance is free healthcare for illegals until we figure out how to convince them to leave on their own.
    no, There should be an E-verify system for healthcare,schools,financial aide, and for employment, that would be something we could do tomorow.

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    Our prosperity is based on commerce. We can't close the borders.

    Control them better, yes. But any LE measures that unduly hinder trade are counterproductive.
    whose prosperity...I suggest if you want to continue to exploit and pimp you go across the border and do it there.

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    I vote "hardworkers who drink tequila"
    paternalistic racist

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    whose prosperity...I suggest if you want to continue to exploit and pimp you go across the border and do it there.
    how do you know he doesn't?

    anyway...props for going from "deport them" to "E-verify" in the matter of minutes.

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    Logistically be done?

    I dont know...ask the Cherokee nation if it can't be done.

    To claim just to simply legalize all illegals is just a patchwork solution in order to maybe help the reform bill pass.

    What most people don't realize (maybe they do?) is that most illegal alliens don't care about being legal citizens of this country and prefer to keep it that way.

    And legallizing the already 20 mil illegals won't keep others from entering this country illegally either. (By the way...Hispanics aren't the only illegals entering and living in this country)

    In fact...it'll take their illegal status away thus allowing the ever more illegals entering this country to take their jobs.

    Granted...legalizing illegals might help induce tax revenue...but not having to pay taxes is a huge reason many are here to begin with and the people utelizing illegal labor would just employee illegals again if it meant they were to have to pay taxes on the people they use now.

    So just by legalizing them doesn't solve the problem...in fact it possibly would accelerate the problem and costs.

    Again...a simple solution explained probably without even looking at comparative data to back up the claim. It's a big part of how Obama operates as well as many members in the political arena.

    Again...government not held accountable for it's actins are much different than the citizens who have to be accountable almost every day of their lives.

    No easy solution that's for sure.

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    Logistically be done?

    I dont know...ask the Cherokee nation if it can't be done.

    To claim just to simply legalize all illegals is just a patchwork solution in order to maybe help the reform bill pass.

    What most people don't realize (maybe they do?) is that most illegal alliens don't care about being legal citizens of this country and prefer to keep it that way.

    And legallizing the already 20 mil illegals won't keep others from entering this country illegally either. (By the way...Hispanics aren't the only illegals entering and living in this country)

    In fact...it'll take their illegal status away thus allowing the ever more illegals entering this country to take their jobs.

    Granted...legalizing illegals might help induce tax revenue...but not having to pay taxes is a huge reason many are here to begin with and the people utelizing illegal labor would just employee illegals again if it meant they were to have to pay taxes on the people they use now.

    So just by legalizing them doesn't solve the problem...in fact it possibly would accelerate the problem and costs.

    Again...a simple solution explained probably without even looking at comparative data to back up the claim. It's a big part of how Obama operates as well as many members in the political arena.

    Again...government not held accountable for it's actins are much different than the citizens who have to be accountable almost every day of their lives.

    No easy solution that's for sure.
    the indians had a choice. one of two choices was slaughter and extinction.

    are you suggesting we enforce that option with illegals?

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    Logistically be done?

    I dont know...ask the Cherokee nation if it can't be done.

    To claim just to simply legalize all illegals is just a patchwork solution in order to maybe help the reform bill pass.

    What most people don't realize (maybe they do?) is that most illegal alliens don't care about being legal citizens of this country and prefer to keep it that way.

    And legallizing the already 20 mil illegals won't keep others from entering this country illegally either. (By the way...Hispanics aren't the only illegals entering and living in this country)

    In fact...it'll take their illegal status away thus allowing the ever more illegals entering this country to take their jobs.

    Granted...legalizing illegals might help induce tax revenue...but not having to pay taxes is a huge reason many are here to begin with and the people utelizing illegal labor would just employee illegals again if it meant they were to have to pay taxes on the people they use now.

    So just by legalizing them doesn't solve the problem...in fact it possibly would accelerate the problem and costs.

    Again...a simple solution explained probably without even looking at comparative data to back up the claim. It's a big part of how Obama operates as well as many members in the political arena.

    Again...government not held accountable for it's actins are much different than the citizens who have to be accountable almost every day of their lives.

    No easy solution that's for sure.
    On the contrary, the solutions are far easier than the political class would have us believe. The political class create Gordian knots of disasters and then tell us we need them to unravel it.That we need to take our attention energy, and resourses to unravel it. We need to take Alexanders approach.

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    no, There should be an E-verify system for healthcare,schools,financial aide, and for employment, that would be something we could do tomorow.
    h4d chooses Door #1. And there are only 3 doors. Any other red teamers care to answer?

    1. Flat out deny any and all medical attention to those who can't prove citizenship.
    2. Find a way to make illegals share in the cost of the coverage they're receiving, either by allowing them to buy insurance as illegals, or by allowing them to become legal so that they can buy insurance.
    3. Just ignore the problem and allow illegals to continue receiving free healthcare.

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    h4d chooses Door #1. And there are only 3 doors. Any other red teamers care to answer?

    1. Flat out deny any and all medical attention to those who can't prove citizenship.
    2. Find a way to make illegals share in the cost of the coverage they're receiving, either by allowing them to buy insurance as illegals, or by allowing them to become legal so that they can buy insurance.
    3. Just ignore the problem and allow illegals to continue receiving free healthcare.
    I would deny all but life threatening services.

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    h4d chooses Door #1. And there are only 3 doors. Any other red teamers care to answer?

    1. Flat out deny any and all medical attention to those who can't prove citizenship.
    2. Find a way to make illegals share in the cost of the coverage they're receiving, either by allowing them to buy insurance as illegals, or by allowing them to become legal so that they can buy insurance.
    3. Just ignore the problem and allow illegals to continue receiving free healthcare.
    1. Would never happen (at least one would hope not) (maybe?)
    2. a. Find a way to make illegals pay. How? b. Again...How?
    3. happening now.

    4. (as a back up to 2b) Just make it so that every person entering this country is granted citizenship?

    4 would put an even bigger strain on the economy because social programs would be even more in demand. And we couldn't have 2b without implementing 4.

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    I would deny all but life threatening services.
    Slippery slope. Denying simple care would increase the chances of critical care.

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    And legallizing the already 20 mil illegals won't keep others from entering this country illegally either. (By the way...Hispanics aren't the only illegals entering and living in this country)
    I think you'll find that most proponents of amnesty are also for securing our borders for this very reason.

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    I suggest implementing ID verification at hospitals and emergency clinics. Illegals would receive care but also be deported once care were administered.

    That would detour illegals from entering these facilities for simple care and force them to pay at practioners offices for their simple care. At least that way illegals would be contributing something to health care costs if they would fear deportation of entering emergency rooms.

    Cost for this? I would suspect that having a INS agent stationed at emergency medical facilities and hospitals would not cost as much as legalizing all illegals in this country.

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    Slippery slope. Denying simple care would increase the chances of critical care.
    No, the slippery Slope was the Kennedy amnesty that allowed 3 million illegals in, the slippery slope was sanctuary cities, the slippery slope was giving financial aide to illegals, the slippery slope was not protecting our borders the slippery slope has run us into a brick wall, and you suggest more of the same?

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    I think you'll find that most proponents of amnesty are also for securing our borders for this very reason.
    That would be great!

    But the can of worms would be opened even more. How would all the people that have legally become citizens by adhereing to the law be compensated?



    No, the slippery Slope was the Kennedy amnesty that allowed 3 million illegals in, the slippery slope was sanctuary cities, the slippery slope was giving financial aide to illegals, the slippery slope was not protecting our borders the slippery slope has run us into a brick wall, and you suggest more of the same?
    Read my post prior to yours. It's just a suggestion.

    And I appreciate your passion...but what your talking about here has already happened. I was suggesting on what could be done now and in leu (sp?) of just legalizing illegal alliens.

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    I think you'll find that most proponents of amnesty are also for securing our borders for this very reason.
    This is a chicken canard by the left. the first amnesty bill by Kennedy proposed the same thing, and then the American left did all it could to obstruct securing our borders
    Fool me once shame on you,fool me twice shame on me.

    Or as Joe Wilson would say YOU LIE.

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    did the left fool you, micca?

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    This is a chicken canard by the left. the first amnesty bill by Kennedy proposed the same thing, and then the American left did all it could to obstruct securing our borders
    Fool me once shame on you,fool me twice shame on me.

    Or as Joe Wilson would say YOU LIE.
    you should try thinking for yourself.. it's reeeeeeeaaallllyyy cool!

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    This is a chicken canard by the left. the first amnesty bill by Kennedy proposed the same thing, and then the American left did all it could to obstruct securing our borders
    Fool me once shame on you,fool me twice shame on me.

    Or as Joe Wilson would say YOU LIE.
    Micca, do you wear a bib to collect the spittle whilst frothing at the mouth?

    I think you'll find that conservatives have also blocked border security requirements, because conservatives are also supported by business owners that use illegal immigrants.

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