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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    I am still laughing at the folks trying to stop people from calling Obama a socialist. " You know what they are really saying (whisper) ######"

    Of course there is racism in America. Duh.... Some blacks hate whites. Some whites hate blacks,some blacks hate mexicants,some whites hate mexicants, some asians hate blacks,some whites hate asians,etc....

    As a whole (Asians,whites,Mexicants etc) America just proved we all don't hate BLACKS. But what this election did prove is as a whole blacks hate whites. Thats why 95 percent black people voted for a black man and only 5 percent for a white man. Ouch! Hopefully that will change over the next few years.

    Why can't these assholes say "some" people are racist towards Obama? That is true. When you put all of us whites in the same category as racist you just have to laugh.
    do you realize what a blatant hypocrite you are?

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    Truth be told, the liberal elites of the North were pissed off the South could out-produce them with cheap slave labor and they set about rectifying that situation.
    Grant's strategy of losing every battle in a war of attrition wouldn't have worked if this was really true.

    What the northern elites were really pissed about was the long simmering discontent over the advantage the slave states had in apportionment; sure enough, they changed that.

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    By implying it was "just" about slavery denigrates those, from the South, that were just as passionate about ending slavery.
    Their political leaders seemed more concerned with preserving property rights in man. The whole states rights controversy turned on this question, and the south went to war over it.

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    Alleged Michigander ChumpDumper's Avatar
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    This thread and all his other posts about race prove that Yoni is not obsessed with race.

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    I'm sorry if that's what you got out of the post. I didn't mean to imply, maybe I just assumed everyone knew about the Civil War, it origins, and the various positions that brought it about.

    Truth be told, the liberal elites of the North were pissed off the South could out-produce them with cheap slave labor and they set about rectifying that situation. To be fair, abolitionists existed on both sides of the Mason-Dixon.

    By implying it was "just" about slavery denigrates those, from the South, that were just as passionate about ending slavery.
    Sure, there was North-South antagonism due to Northern manufacturing interests desiring federal protections that Southern agricultural interests did not want, as well as other factors such as the quasi-feudal Anglican life embraced in the South versus the burgeoning non-Anglo Saxon flavor of the North, but in the end it did revolve around slavery. Though I will grant you that it was not the simplified good v evil morality play as it is presented today.

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    Truth be told, the liberal elites of the North were pissed off the South could out-produce them with cheap slave labor
    Out-produce them at what?

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    sad that some ppl still can't get over the fact Obama is black
    10th post.

    Right under the wire, Yoni.

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    Yes, but how many pundits/columnists/etc refer to themselves as classical liberals? I don't think you can deny that the term "liberal" has become a perjorative as much as a self-defined label.
    classic liberal = conservative

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    classic liberal = conservative
    Not exactly.

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    Yonivore, if you feel that people are unjustly accusing you of racism then perhaps you should not associate yourself with them, who cares what they have to say if you are so sure of your anti-racist feelings. Also, when the subject of race comes up, since it upsets you so much, ignore it and continue on with your anti-racist existance.

    It's as simple as that.

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    Yonivore, if you feel that people are unjustly accusing you of racism then perhaps you should not associate yourself with them, who cares what they have to say if you are so sure of your anti-racist feelings.
    Maybe he feels insecure in his anti-racist intentions.

    Judging from the record he has committed to these pages, I'd say that insecurity is well-founded.

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