Top 10 Shooting Guards All-Time

[cobbler]

Jerry West was a PG, not a SG. In that era, they called him a guard anyway but people consider him a PG.

1. Michael Jordan (No point spinning it the other way.)
2. Kobe Bryant (Hey, he is that good, well no one else could match his longevity in basketball as a SG.)
3. Allen Iverson (1st SG MVP since Michael Jordan, led the 76ers to the finals with only him as the offense.)
4. George Gervin (Super scorer and homer vote)
5. Dwyane Wade (Rounds up my top 5 for his 2006 Finals MVP and arguably greatest Finals series debut and performance of all time after being down 0-2.)
6. Clyde Drexler (Lets just say he was overshadowed by a certain SG his entire career.)
7. Joe Dumars (Is the top 10 SG list this thin? Well, he was 1989 Finals MVP after all.)
8. Reggie Miller (8 points in 8 seconds, 1st master of the 3 point shot. Incredibly clutch, too bad he didn't win one.
9. Tracy McGrady ( , what is going on? Well, T-Mac was phenomenal when he was putting up 32 points a game. The youngest to put up such numbers in the NBA. His prime puts him at 5. His considerable decline and lack of win drops him down to 9 though.)
10. Vince Carter (We have Mr Dunk the Ball highlight reel Vince Carter who could destroy you on any given night. Too bad he was just too lazy to do so.)

Honorable mention: Ray Allen

Well, I am not that familiar with the NBA before the 3 point line much, so here is my list.

Stopped reading there... Complete loss of credibility in the first sentence.

[polysylab1k]

Stopped reading there... Complete loss of credibility in the first sentence.

No surprise here though

[Chieflion]

Stopped reading there... Complete loss of credibility in the first sentence.

That was you. Not my fault he was the main ballhandler for the Lakers. If you want to call Jerry West a shooting guard, call Oscar Robertson a shooting guard to make it fair. They were called just guards during their time, no need to twist the facts.

Unless you are trying to tell me Gail Goodrich was the point guard of the Lakers, you don't have a case cause Goodrich was the scoring guard up until West retired. West was the playmaker as Goodrich led the team in points per game.

[Chieflion]

No surprise here though

Somehow, I don't feel offended because a gook usually means a Korean or Vietnamese. I am sure you mean Asian but you are a dumbass for even trying to act racist on a Sports forum.

[cobbler]

That was you. Not my fault he was the main ballhandler for the Lakers. If you want to call Jerry West a shooting guard, call Oscar Robertson a shooting guard to make it fair. They were called just guards during their time, no need to twist the facts.

Unless you are trying to tell me Gail Goodrich was the point guard of the Lakers, you don't have a case cause Goodrich was the scoring guard up until West retired. West was the playmaker as Goodrich led the team in points per game.

Gail Goodrich was indeed the Point Guard. Just because he was a prolific scorer in both college and the NBA doens't change the position he played. In any poll or converstaion about guards you will always see West listed as a SG. But hey... you spin it anyway that makes you happy. No biggie

[myhc]

no surprise here though

ban this bag please.

[j-money24]

1. Michael Jordan
2. Jerry West
3. John Havlicek
4. George Gervin
5. Kobe Bryant

Kobe at #5 on your list, wow you're being too nice here, i didnt even think you'd put Kobe as top 20 of all time.

[j-money24]

You people talk about Manu as if he never gets injured.
The last 2 seasons he's been one of the reasons why the Spurs got eliminated.
2008 playoffs playing injured and getting owned by Vuja .
2009 playoffs was injured, did not play.

[Cry Havoc]

Captain of greatest Olympic team ever, 1960 gold medal winners.

Uh. The Dream Team would have absolutely annihilated West's squad. It would not even be a close matchup.

Many other things of what you posted were humorous as well, but this is just freaking ludicrous.

Drafted higher than Jordan.

Are you ing kidding?

[DJB]

Isn't TMAC a SF?

[Chieflion]

Isn't TMAC a SF?

He played SG for about every team he was on. Grant Hill was the SF in Orlando, granted he did not play much. Battier was the SF in Houston. T-Mac was backing up Vince Carter in Toronto as a SG.

[The Franchise]

Statistically speaking, yes. But talk to me when T-Mac channels all that talent into being able to get out of the first round (Riding the bench doesn't count).

Hypothetical: You're on the blacktop picking teams for basketball. Would you rather have the guy who has more talent, or the guy who always wins ball games?

Subjectivity is going to make this list impossible. Are we going primarily on stats, or accomplishments, or what?

(I will admit, however, that TMac has never quite had a Parker and Duncan at his side)

I understand you love your Spurs, but enough with stupid bull about him being better (or even on the same level) than T-Mac. Do you really believe Ginobili would get out of the first round with the teams that Tracy had? If you do then you need to put down that your smoking because it's killing you. Ginobili was lucky to be on the teams he was, because as a first option on teams T-mac had to suffer through he would fail miserably( if he had that kind of pressure his career would probably be over).

Ginobili gets to play a lot of one on one because he has allstar teammates. You put T-mac in his place on the Spurs from the time they had Ginobili, and I am willing to wager you guys would have more championships. Duncan, Parker, McGrady? That would be bananas!!! I will admit Ginobili has more heart and a stronger desire to win than Tracy. I also love the effort and intensity he gives night in and night out, but that's where his being better than tracy stops. I like Ginobili a lot, and really don't care for T-mac very much, but if both are healthy, no GM would ever pick Manu over him.

[The Franchise]

MJ
KOBE
PISTOL PETE
ANDREW TONEY
ICE MAN
JERRY WEST
Reggie Miller
DUMARS
TMAC
DREXLER

I was reluctant to put Ice on this list because I view him as the number two small forward of all time. Drexler could be swapped for Wade, Monroe, or even AI. My first four are in stone.

You obviously never saw Clyde in his prime to have him that low on this list. Reggie Miller, Tmac, Joe Dumars ahead of Drexler? That's just.......... so horribly wrong!!!

[Lars]

Poor Clyde got a bad rap for playing in the Jordan era.

[Culburn369]

...and for playing a funk & junk style.

[TMTTRIO]

If you take into consideration his international career, Ginobili could easily be argued as in or at least near the top 10 of shooting guards. Hard to know the OP's intent, but one could assume he meant only based on NBA careers. If that's the case, I think it's harder to argue Ginobili being close to the top 10. It's just one of those things. It depends on what the parameters of the list and discussion are. Based on his NBA career, at best, he'll be remember more along the lines of a McHale or Worthy. He could likely be viewed eventually as a HOF type talent, but he'll always be viewed as that sidekick type of HOF rather than one of the no. 1 guys. But if you ask Ginobili, I think he'll take that if the alternative would have been being a T-Mac or Vince Carter type of career where he dominated individually but had very little team success.

True. Manu's not near the top and there's plenty of other more talented SG's in the NBA then Manu (Manu hasn't even made more than one AS appearance or won any other individual award other than SMOY which really is nothing at all). Manu will still make the HOF but most of that won't be based on anything he's done in the NBA but what he'll be really known for his success internationally and in the Olympics/WC.

[Galileo]

Uh. The Dream Team would have absolutely annihilated West's squad. It would not even be a close matchup.

Many other things of what you posted were humorous as well, but this is just freaking ludicrous.



Are you ing kidding?

West was drafted # 2, Jordan only # 3.

The 1960 Olympic team had larger margin of victories than the Dream team, thanks to Jerry West and his friends:

1960 USA RESULTS (8-0)

USA 88 Italy 54
USA 125 Japan 66
USA 107 Hungary 63
USA 104 Yugoslavia 42
USA 108 Uruguay 50
USA 81 USSR 57
USA 112 Italy 81
USA 90 Brazil 63
http://www.sports-reference.com/olym...mmer/1960/BAS/

Key Players:

Jerry West

Oscar Robertson

Walt Bellamy

1961 1st pick of NBA draft
1962 NBA rookie of-the year, 31.6 ppg, 19.0 rpg, NBA all-star
1963 NBA all-star
1964 NBA all-star
1965 NBA all-star
Hall-of-Famer

Jerry Lucas

1960 1st team all-American, Oustanding player of Final Four, 26.3 ppg, 16.4 rpg
1961 AP player of year, Outstanding player of Final Four
1962 AP player of year
1964 NBA rookie of year, 2nd team all-NBA
1965 1st team all-NBA, 21.4 ppg, 20 rpg, All-star MVP
1966 1st team all-NBA, 21.5 ppg, 21.1 rpg
1967 2nd team all-NBA
1968 1st team all-NBA
1969 NBA all-star
1971 NBA all-star
TOP 50 all-time NBA player

Bullet Bob Boozer

1st pick of 1959 NBA Draft
became NBA all-star
became 20 point per game scorer in NBA

Terry Dischinger

1960 2nd team all-American
1961 1st team all-Amercian
1962 1st team all-American
1963 NBA rookie of the year, 25.5 ppg, 8 rpg, NBA all-star
1964 NBA all-star
1965 NBA all-star
1966 sent to Vietnam

Big D Imoff

3rd pick of 1960 NBA draft, after Robertson & West
became NBA all-star

Adrian Smith

MVP of 1966 NBA all-star game

http://www.sports-reference.com/olym...mmer/1960/BAS/

[DxB]

Jerry West > Jordan

for multiple reasons.

U can eat a for multiple reasons.

[Ghazi]

D-Whistle is probably already a top 10 shooting guard... bt he did NOT, I repeat! NOT win a ring in 2006.

[Culburn369]

D-Whistle is probably already a top 10 shooting guard... bt he did NOT, I repeat! NOT win a ring in 2006.

Oh, yeah, he did,,,and you rolled over and exposed yer starfish for his pleasure & accomplishment.

[Chieflion]

I have not read all of this, but just to clear up confusion, West and Gervin played in a time where there were not shooting guards and point guards, small and power forwards, there were just guards and forwards. But if they did classify those 2 it would be West at 2/1 and Gervin at 2/3.

I always thought West as a combo guard, which is why he was not on my list. He would have been the clear cut number 3 if he was in, the very same reason why I always thought Gilbert Arenas was more of a SG. West was a very good ballhandler who started the offense.

[Culburn369]

The apparent difference twixt Jordan & West is West's precarious mental state throughout his career. The Boston dominance over the Lakers affected West markedly. He was afraid to fail. Jordan never suffered that malady. He'd see the fire and head toward it, eager for the opportunity to be victorious, unafraid to leave it all out there...taking the result as it was dealt.

[Culburn369]

When people brand Wilt or West losers, it really isn't fair.

I don't do [fair], Phil...there is no percentage in it. And that is what Wilt & West kept waiting for=[fair]---they waited in vain whilst the Celtics got the hand downs and those two got the kicked to them. West finally wised up (though the damage had been done)...by that time he was GM of the Lakers, he knew where the bear in the buckwheat, and he, more or less (badgered by Magic) got on down into the mud, blood and and "got some." Wilt never learned. He let Russell take his pants down time & again, and Russell made him like it.

It's not a pleasant heritage I possess, but, it is what it is.

[MrChug]

I'm goin:

1. MJ
2. Kobe (damn that hurt)
3. Jerry West
4. Pete Maravich
5. George Gervin
6. Clyde Drexler (Jerry West said that if MJ had never been born we'd spend all of our time talking about "all the things Drexler could do"
7. The Pearl
8. Dwyane Wade (he’ll end up in the top 5 by the end of his career)
9. Allen Iverson
10. Ray Allen (damn, that hurt MORE-I hate that puss)

the "maybe"s-Vince Carter, Reggie, Ro Blackman, Joe D, Adrian Dantley, & Mitch Richmond

and future: Brandon Roy, Ben Gordon

(oh and the U.S. Secret Service...they're guards that shoot pretty well too)

[Chieflion]

I'm goin:

1. MJ
2. Kobe (damn that hurt)
3. Jerry West
4. Pete Maravich
5. George Gervin
6. Clyde Drexler (Jerry West said that if MJ had never been born we'd spend all of our time talking about "all the things Drexler could do"
7. The Pearl
8. Dwyane Wade (he’ll end up in the top 5 by the end of his career)
9. Allen Iverson
10. Ray Allen (damn, that hurt MORE-I hate that puss)

the "maybe"s-Vince Carter, Reggie, Ro Blackman, Joe D, Adrian Dantley, & Mitch Richmond

and future: Brandon Roy, Ben Gordon

(oh and the U.S. Secret Service...they're guards that shoot pretty well too)

Last I heard, Dantley was a forward, then a guard. You sure ranked a career loser pretty high (Pete Maravich) for a guy who never won anything or sniffed a MVP.