Hunting: Right or Wrong?

[Spursfan092120]

The hypocrisy of meat eaters that are against hunting has always amazed me.

Exactly...if you watch the music video for Montgomery Gentry's song, "You Do Your Thing," it really catches it. A guy is driving through the streets after hunting, with a deer on his hood that he's taking to get processed. He passes by an outdoor restaurant, where a lady dressed in fancy digs sees the deer and starts acting like she's going to puke. She just can't believe this guy was just hunting. Then, their food comes, and she has a nice big peace of meat..where the do they think that meat comes from?

[Spursfan092120]

White people continue to label "sports" that nobody else does in an attempt to be good at them. Hunting never shouldn't be a sport, but since white people are good at it, they made it one.

Guess you've never heard of the AAHA..the African American Hunting Association...all blacks..all hunters...try again.

[blizz]

I just don't get the trophy part of it. Why so proud to take out a defenseless animal "for fun" and to get a pretty head mounted? What's the draw in killing a lion, tiger, jaguar, bear etc? I like to fish because most of the time, the fish is not something I can go get at the store, at least not as fresh and cheap, so I get that and have no problem with that.

[SpuronyourFace]

Lmao I hope you're being sarcastic about fishing. Not to say they are lesser creatures but for every one deer their are a million fish in the water. I think you were being sarcastic but if not, I think your brain cells can figure the rest out just fine...

Fish are pretty much an abundant resource rather than deer or elk that could become endangered. Again any such debate is walking a thin line on comparing the worth of one creature to another, as in fish to a deer, but in any case can be argued easily by the numbers and the game.

Just talk to Japanese fishermen. Without that way of living, their culture and way of life would not have survived to this day. Fish come and go. Deer and other four-legged creatures are not so abundant.

^^ I will edit and clarify again. Of course the same could be said about the first explorers to this country. They had to survive on hunting big game and it was a must to live. But as technology has boomed it is no longer needed.^^

Hunting to a certain extent should be illegal. Meaning, hunting enough to control the population.

Of course this is mostly opinionated. As in, nobody is really wrong here. It's about your own morale and personal beliefs.

What do hunting deer, catching fish, and farming Cows and pigs all have in common?

ALL INVOLVE KILLING AN ANIMAL FOR MEAT.

So if you are stictly a vegitarian, and don't eat meat of any sort, then I can respect your opinion on hunting. However, if you EAT meat and are against hunting, then you are contradicting yourself. No getting around it.

[CosmicCowboy]

I just don't get the trophy part of it. Why so proud to take out a defenseless animal "for fun" and to get a pretty head mounted? What's the draw in killing a lion, tiger, jaguar, bear etc? I like to fish because most of the time, the fish is not something I can go get at the store, at least not as fresh and cheap, so I get that and have no problem with that.

I don't like the hypocrisy of the normal hunter/fisherman defense either. We may enjoy eating the meat but we don't just do it for the meat. You can buy tilapia at HEB dirt cheap. Fish you catch, clean, and eat yourself cost more than what you can buy them for if you take into account time, gas, fishing gear etc. Game meat you kill and process yourself costs more than beef at the store. it. Man up and admit that it's just primal to hunt and kill and you enjoy it. And don't give me this humanitarian bull that you do it to "manage and cull' the herd so they don't get overpopulated and starve...
If you really don't enjoy it then give me that money you spend to hunt and I'll go humanely manage the deer for you...Just be honest enough to admit to yourself and others that you enjoy hunting.

[SpuronyourFace]

I don't like the hypocrisy of the normal hunter/fisherman defense either. We may enjoy eating the meat but we don't just do it for the meat. You can buy tilapia at HEB dirt cheap. Fish you catch, clean, and eat yourself cost more than what you can buy them for if you take into account time, gas, fishing gear etc. Game meat you kill and process yourself costs more than beef at the store. it. Man up and admit that it's just primal to hunt and kill and you enjoy it. And don't give me this humanitarian bull that you do it to "manage and cull' the herd so they don't get overpopulated and starve...
If you really don't enjoy it then give me that money you spend to hunt and I'll go humanely manage the deer for you...Just be honest enough to admit to yourself and others that you enjoy hunting.

Yeah, some poeple just like to go out and shoot something. It is what it is. I don't hunt myself, but I don't care if others do or not.

But with wild pigs, many of them are killed to manage the enviroment because they are so overpopulated and destructive to their environment and farm lands. They drive out many native animals in an environment and even "hunt" themselves, killing fawns(young deer).

[blizz]

You can buy tilapia at HEB dirt cheap. Fish you catch, clean, and eat yourself cost more than what you can buy them for if you take into account time, gas, fishing gear etc. Game meat you kill and process yourself costs more than beef at the store. it. Man up and admit that it's just primal to hunt and kill and you enjoy it.

If I wanted tilapia, yes you're right. But I'm not going to find fresh caught gulf speckled trout or redfish at HEB, that's why I fish, that and the fact I can do it while on vacation relaxing. Unless it's a regulation size keeper, I catch and release and no, I don't enjoy killing . It pisses me off when the people I go with kill the hard-heads they catch "just because".

[CosmicCowboy]

Yeah, some poeple just like to go out and shoot something. It is what it is. I don't hunt myself, but I don't care if others do or not.

But with wild pigs, many of them are killed to manage the enviroment because they are so overpopulated and destructive to their environment and farm lands. They drive out many native animals in an environment and even "hunt" themselves, killing fawns(young deer).

Yeah, I just kill the out of wild pigs. DOA on sight, .17HMR right in the ear.

[CosmicCowboy]

If I wanted tilapia, yes you're right. But I'm not going to find fresh caught gulf speckled trout or redfish at HEB, that's why I fish, that and the fact I can do it while on vacation relaxing. Unless it's a regulation size keeper, I catch and release and no, I don't enjoy killing . It pisses me off when the people I go with kill the hard-heads they catch "just because".

I fish at the coast a lot and am good at it. I figure my trout/redfish cost more per pound than lobster.

[MiamiHeat]

I fish at the coast a lot and am good at it. I figure my trout/redfish cost more per pound than lobster.

You seem to overlook the fact that everything is not about money.

Some people would rather pay a little extra is expenses but gain the experience and fun of fishing it themselves.

[marini martini]

I love venison aft strap!!! Arrrrrrrr!

[v2freak]

As a vegetarian, I can't really make the distinction between fishing and hunting, in regards to that side argument. I agree with you that hunting seems cruel however; to call it a sport I think would be weak, as it would be difficult to categorize it as compe ive.

"Evolve?" That would involve meat-eaters reproducing less than rice-eaters. Oh, wait. China. OK, you're right.

What's wrong with hunting exactly? Without hunting, we humans never would have developed speech. Our speech gave us a compe ive advantage over other creatures because we could communicate with one another about where the animals were very easily and plan the hunts together.

I agree it's kind of pussy to have some 300-lb lardass redneck who can't walk more than 100 feet at a time sit in a deer blind for 12 hours waiting for a deer to come up to a feeder. Some redneck tried to convince me that was sporting because it's hard to shoot straight after drinking for 12 hours straight. Whatever.

I'm more impressed with my coworker who got bored with shooting the animals because it was too easy, so started hunting them with crossbows, got bored with that because it was too easy, started hunting them with bow and arrow, got bored with that because it was too easy, started throwing knives at them, got bored with that because it was too easy, so just started photographing them and selling the pictures.

Somebody who's that good at hunting should never be ed with.

Can you post some books or links that provide evidence for the line that hunting led to the development of speech? I am very interested in this idea.

Now you're just pushing your belief onto me which sounds very Bush like. No offense.

It's just cows and chickens have historically always been means of food because it was provided by whatever creator or whoever made this earth.

They give milk, lay eggs, and are IMO natural sources of meat our bodies need to be healthy.

I think Summers was correct in distinguishing between arbitrary choices of what it's okay to eat and what is not, although I also get your point on what is already available. I don't necessarily agree with how the cards have been dealt in this regard - afterall, other cultures around the world eat different things all the time which we may find gross.

[TheProfessor]

Not only is it natural and right for human beings to hunt, but hunters should also be the best conservationists and environmentalists. I never understood how that role fell to people who have far less of a stake than hunters or fisherman.

[blizz]

You seem to overlook the fact that everything is not about money.

Some people would rather pay a little extra is expenses but gain the experience and fun of fishing it themselves.

exactly. he doesn't get it.

[CosmicCowboy]

exactly. he doesn't get it.

both of you stupid non-reading comprehension assholes.

I said I love to hunt and fish. I also like to eat what I catch/kill. Just be intellectually honest enough not to try to justify hunting and fishing strictly by the "I do it for the meat"...thats a cop out and a lie. Man up and admit you do it because you enjoy it and em if they don't like it.

[CosmicCowboy]

both of you stupid non-reading comprehension assholes.

I said I love to hunt and fish. I also like to eat what I catch/kill. Just be intellectually honest enough not to try to justify hunting and fishing strictly by the "I do it for the meat"...thats a cop out and a lie. Man up and admit you do it because you enjoy it and em if they don't like it.

OK, that might have been a little harsh. LOL. I ws referring to a previous post where you said you fished "because you could catch fresh trout and reds than you couldn't buy in the store"...I'm saying that is intellectually dishonest because you fish because you enjoy fishing and the the fresh fish is a pleasant by product.

I can give you an example. I fish at the coast too and I'm pretty good at it. I have fished two 40-50 boat tournaments this year and won one and got second in the other. We normally fish at Baffin Bay. Unless we are fishing a tournament we release all trout over 25" unless they are kill hooked. On a good day we will probably get 20 pounds of fillets. We are not afraid to run the boat to catch fish and we normally spend about $350 a day in fuel, oil, bait, etc. for that 20# of fish. That doesn't even include the cost of the boat, maintenance, lodging, etc. Do the math. At just the cost of the actual trip that's $17 a pound. Don't try to bull a bull ter and tell me you fish for the meat. Just admit you fish because you enjoy it and don't let anyone shame you because you are "cruel".

[MiamiHeat]

I don't really see the connection between fishing and hunting big game like deer.

[CosmicCowboy]

I don't really see the connection between fishing and hunting big game like deer.

What do you see that's different?

[SpuronyourFace]

good thread

[CosmicCowboy]

Not only is it natural and right for human beings to hunt, but hunters should also be the best conservationists and environmentalists. I never understood how that role fell to people who have far less of a stake than hunters or fisherman.

In Texas when it comes to landowners who lease to or package hunt for deer hunters they ARE the best conservationists and environmentalists. It's in their financial best interest to do so. Thats why they actually pay me to come to their ranch and kill deer. They hire biologists to tell them what to do to manage their herds to be the healthiest and follow their recommendations. Sometimes that involves extensive thinning of the herd.

[MiamiHeat]

Fish don't have developed pain receptors, they also don't have an evolved brain like mammals do. They don't feel emotions.

Mammals do

[CosmicCowboy]

Fish don't have developed pain receptors, they also don't have an evolved brain like mammals do. They don't feel emotions.

Mammals do

So are you a vegan?

[Heath Ledger]

If you are going to eat what you hunt I see no problem with it. If you are just killing for "sport" or just a trophy I think it's bull . With the exception of overpopulated areas where the animals could be a nuisance, (too many deer destroying crops etc)

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[MiamiHeat]

So are you a vegan?

Why would I be a vegan?