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Unsurprising. I can't remember the last time anyone spoke up for Pelosi in this forum. I don't even think there was a first time. Not in the last year, at least.
Can you think of an instance, Yonivore?
...that none of the resident liberals in this forum are trying to carry Pelosi's water on how Obama's opponents are fomenting violence.
Good for you.
I think it fell flat elsewhere, as well. Except of course for Chris Matthews who tried to make the case it was right-wing rhetoric that drove Lee Harvey Oswald -- a lefty communist sympathizer -- to assassinate President Kennedy.
Unsurprising. I can't remember the last time anyone spoke up for Pelosi in this forum. I don't even think there was a first time. Not in the last year, at least.
Can you think of an instance, Yonivore?
Nope but, since everyone was so quick to jump on the "you're a racist if you oppose Obama" and since everyone is bending into pretzels to defend ACORN, I thought it would be a knee-jerk reaction to pimp Pelosi's "opponents are going to get someone killed" rhetoric.
I'm glad it's not selling.
This is more prolepsis. You try to anticipate the objections of the other side in order to make them appear ridiculous, but a good deal of the time you are raising objections to complaints not made by actual posters in this forum.
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A good example is Obama/racism. It hardly arises here apart from your proleptic dismissals of it. So we are left with the somewhat incongruous result that Yonivore is the main perpetrator of the meme that dissent from Obama is racist.
You, in the main, are responsible for the existence of this meme in SpursTalk.
Nice work.
You must not pay too much attention to clambake...
Granted, he's only one poster but...I don't see anyone opposing the proposition raised by the left, in the media, either.
This forum isn't an isolated universe, we all bring premises from the media and other sources, into the room, and discuss them. The "opponents to Obama are racists" meme was begun by the left -- after imputing racism on Joe Wilson's "you lie" outburst -- it got when it was pimped to media by the Congressional left and then, that old windbag Jimmy Carter starts flatulating over it.
Forgive me for discussing a very relevant issue that was dominating the media at the time. Frankly, I think there were more than just clambake in here defending the notion, ridiculing me, and basically ignoring the obvious -- that it was as empty a claim as is Pelosi's current tack of claiming our opposition is going to lead to violence.
So, for the record, how much of the opposition to Obama and his policies do you attribute to racism?
you lie
prove he's a liar or you're lying.
Not insignificant, but nowhere near a majority.
Stab in the dark, right?
I don't think it can be quantified.
Just look at who starts the threads.
You're right, it can't. But, what can be quantified is the percentage of Americans who think it has anything to do with racism.
Rasmussen put that at 12% the other day.
12%...that's fewer than even exist in the nutroots base of Democrats. So, not even all the rabid left believe it has anything to do with racism...
So, if you think it has anything to do with racism, you're in the 12%.
I think they take their lead from the whitehouse.The whitehouse instead of debating the issues or recognizing actually who runs the country..just deny...and deny...and deny. There is no real political dissent in America we all love the president and his regime, Oh there are an incredibelly small band of RACISTS NAZIS,but if the president ignores them,and the Soros DNC ignores them,and if most importantly the Media ignores them, they just don't exist.Good luck trying to get that boat to float.
I think whinehole, and Lngrr. view themselves as the more polished of these clones and evaporate when the whitehouse's more clumsy and brutal repressions unfold. The chumps, and clams, and shastas are more the graffitti spraying brownshirt types who'll defend any and all,from the "it's patriotic to turn in your neighbor hotlines" to the "underage latina sex slave traffic is good for the American economy."
I don't.
You can also take that as posters being uninterested in the proposition, but I can see why you'd just assume people are being willfully perverse. It feeds your paranoia.
Not sure I agree with your etiology. The meme goes all the way back to the campaign. You've been raising it here for at least a year now. Take off the blinders.
Discussing? Spoiling for a fight is more like it.
It isn't dominating the media now. And it didn't dominate but for maybe a day or two. You're the one keeping it alive in SpursTalk now. I don't think you can stop.
You like to characterize anyone who disagrees with you as a brainwashed cultist. This is mainly what's this is about. You take some extreme case and impute it to everybody who diagrees with you.
Dishonest.
Weak. Name the names. I bet there aren't more than 3 or 4 posters here who fit the mold.
Last edited by Winehole23; 09-19-2009 at 01:16 PM.
...Pelosi can suck my right nut....she lost my support when she refused to go after the Bush Administration for starting an illegal war of aggression...
Pelosi's statement is irrelevant.
The hate, threats, gun-carrying, the evangelical End Times fantasies, God-hates-non-righties, and demagogery from the right will very probably end up in blood.
Disngenuous.
Just because I think racism can't be ruled out generically doesn't mean I think it applies to any particular case.
You're using indefinite pronoun reference to introduce claims I never made.
You can't help not cheating can you?
In just a few months, micca has gone from doing bad impersonations of what other posters say, to unconscious parodies of himself.
Nice work, micca!
Nevermind...
You can believe I pull issues out of my ass to post in here if you want, but, if I've raised the issue before it's because it was an issue in the media...
And, the current iteration lasted more than a week...beginning when Maureen Dowd got the bright idea to impute the word "boy" on the end of Wilson's two-word outburst and lasting through when Jimmy Carter rattled his old decrepit bones about it.
I was merely pointing out, by starting this thread, that the "opposition breeds violence" meme didn't seem to get the same boost. It was encouraging...
No ...just wait till we creep closer to 2012....the wing-nuts are gonna break this up....I'm telling you, that's their goal - they want to succeed and create Jesus-land in the South so that when the Lord comes, he doesn't have to see them living along-side *shhh*liberals*shhh*...
My question was how much of the opposition to Obama is racially motivated and that was your answer. I wasn't speaking about any particular case. I was speaking in generalities and this is what you said.
That you believe is isn't insignificant is telling. Don't you think? I do. I think it puts you in the 12% that believe the opposition to Obama is -- to some degree -- racially motivated.
How is that cheating?
The fact remains that here in SpursTalk nobody promotes the meme that dissent from Obama is racist so much as you.
It isn't even a contest.
And so far, you are the only promoter of the "opposition breeds violence" meme. (edit: we have some entrants below)
Last edited by Winehole23; 09-19-2009 at 01:28 PM.
Nevermind the only acts of violence to have occurred, thus far, have been committed by SEIU thugs against a town hall protestor, and some -- as yet -- unidentified Obama supporter that bit the finger off of another town hall protestor.
Nbadan, you're whack.
...bit the finger off a tea-bagger who punched him in the face....
The problem with your statement here is two-fold.
I don't post on what SpursTalk members are doing, I post on what is happening in the world with the intent of spurring debate in SpursTalk. I only bring it up because no one else does and I'm interesting in seeing how it bounces around in here.
Second, I'm not promoting the meme, I'm merely recording the meme exists in a universe much larger than SpursTalk.com.
Again, I'm not promoting the meme as much as I'm interested in seeing how it is viewed in here. That it doesn't appear the lefties in SpursTalk have bitten on this one is encouraging and I said so.
If you'd let the matter drop, the thread would just roll of the page.
The indefinite pronoun reference threw me off.
Yes. Some opposition to Obama is more bigoted than principled. Look at New jersey and tell me this isn't the case.
How can you rule it out? Just because Americans refuse to admit it to pollsters?
Weak.
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