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Andrew Bynum showing how much overrated he is, he couldn't dominate an undrafted rookie who will likely not make the NBA. You're right Kobe, should have shipped his ass out.
http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2009/09/1...id=blogs_hawksIt’s not often that rookie free agent center Garret Siler is forced to look up to someone on a basketball court.
But that’s exactly what happened to the 7-footer Wednesday when Los Angeles Lakers center Andrew Bynum cut through the door of the Hawks’ practice facility to get a workout in at the John “Beans” Beckett Invitational. Bynum and Siler matched up in two different games and Siler acquitted himself well, neither big man dominated the action – that honor belonged to veteran pro Jerry Stackhouse (who has been on a tear this week on both ends of the floor against players much younger).
Siler said he was just happy to have the chance to compete against a pro of Bynum’s caliber.
“This is the best test for me to see guys like [Hawks center] Al Horford and [Bynum] out here,” Siler said. “It helps mentally when you can say, ‘hey, i’m d’ing this guy up and he plays for the world champions. He’s got a ring.’ So if you can hold your own going against and he’s not just destroying you, hey, you must be doing something right.”
It appears that Siler has been doing plenty right this summer. He’s noticeably slimmer today compared to what folks saw of him during the Hawks’ rookie/free agent mini-camp in late July. He said working out back home in Augusta, mostly with his former coaches and some of his teammates that stuck around for the summer, is what helped him get in top physical shape.
“It’s basically up to you,” he said. “It’s about how many shots you want to put up before and or after a workout. You can go from 11 in the morning to 2 p.m in the afternoon on the court. But it’s your option to go to the weight room before that and get up those shots afterward. It’s what you do and how much you want to get better at this level. How much work you put is basically equal to what you get out of it.”
The toughest transition for Siler in these dog days leading up to training camp is finding his way around town.
“I can’t lie to you, my GPS is my friend right now,” Siler said and then laughed. “I do know a lot of the streets right around downtown. I know a lot of the are around here. But it’s about trying to get your bearings down and get a feel for the basics. You start with Peachtree and then Spring Street and then go from there.”
Bring back Stack!!
You judge a player based on a couple of pick up games? He's a center with a lot of upside that has had to deal with a couple of big injuries. If he stays healthy this year well see what he is truly capable of. Every report i have seen on him says the same. All the tools, great upside if he can stay injury free. How is that overrating? Oh that's right.... he didnt dominate some guy in a pick up game so he must not have those tools and upside.
You know its you kind of fans that overrate his ass, you're just a homer who says Bynum is the next big thing and some of you compare him to Wilt, this dude sucks majority of the time, some fans like you that are judging him on a couple of good games he had in 2008 and 2009, and he's an injury prone.You judge a player based on a couple of pick up games? He's a center with a lot of upside that has had to deal with a couple of big injuries. If he stays healthy this year well see what he is truly capable of. Every report i have seen on him says the same. All the tools, great upside if he can stay injury free. How is that overrating? Oh that's right.... he didnt dominate some guy in a pick up game so he must not have those tools and upside.
You judge a player based on a couple of pick up games? He's a center with a lot of upside that has had to deal with a couple of big injuries. If he stays healthy this year well see what he is truly capable of. Every report i have seen on him says the same. All the tools, great upside if he can stay injury free. How is that overrating? Oh that's right.... he didnt dominate some guy in a pick up game so he must not have those tools and upside.
That's a BIG IF.
Ohhh so now its fans like me who overrate him. Not the media or scouts. So my saying he has potential (upside) is overating? I never said he's the next big thing. I said he has an upside. How did you equate that to he's the next big thing and comparible to Wilt? Who's the one stretching now?
If by injury prone you mean he's not able to land on a foot or have a 225 pound man collapse into his knee without sustaining an injury then yes I guess he's injury prone.
Sucks the MAJORITY of the time? Whos exagerrating now? He has a career average of 14pts, 10 reb, and 2 blocks over 36 min played and he's just 21. That's WITH the interruptions of the injuries. That is a far cry from sucking my friend.
I'd say a fair assesment would be that he's played some crappy games and he's played some very good games. He hasn't played enough for a whole season to be consistent and truly RATE him..... thus the "potential" comments.
Since you obviously do not know what that means:
Potential:
1 : existing in possibility : capable of development into actuality
Well see. Both his injuries were caused by contact with the other player. It's not like he's breaking down like Yao or players like Bill Walton who had injuries without any contact at all.
The guy is only good in January.
He will be an all-star though, cause he'll put up border-line numbers. And at the center position, on the Lakers, and with the good record the Lakers will have...he'll be an all-star at some point.
Actually his career averages are 8.8pts, 6.2 rebounds, and 1.4 blocks. Since he's never averaged more than 29 minutes a game in any season (even when he was a starter), the "per 36 minutes" stat is irrelevant. Once he actually PLAYS 36 minutes a game, then we can look at those "per 36 minutes" stats as meaningful.
Not saying Bynum sucks (he's definitely a Top 10 center right now and has potential to be Top 3), just saying your manipulation of the stats to support your argument is pretty weak when he's never come close to 36 minutes a game.
greg ostertag>>tim duncan
nice...
Bad analogy. Oster was the one with the experience, and he used it on the SL rook. Why didn't Bynum do that?
He made Howard quit in June.
tee, hee.
There was no manipulation of the stats. At basketball-reference.com they project a players numbers over 36 mins as a stat to better compare players that play different amounts. It's not rocket science.
Actually, his career avg is 21 mins. He rarely played (7 mins a game) his rookie year. The last two years, he averaged around 29 mins but as we all know, those years were interrupted by major injuries. Not many players avg 36 mins a game... maybe 20 or so in the NBA.
So i really don't get your point. Are you saying if he actually played 7 more minutes a game that his averages would drop dramatically? I don't think so. I think they would stay pretty much in the average range he has produced.
My original and subsequent posts were only to show that Bynum is far from being the player that "sucks the majority of the time" the orginal poster stated.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...bynuman01.html
Yet Bynum has dominated NBA centers in various games, including: Al Jefferson, Kaman, Okafor, Dalembert, Amare and has played Tim Duncan to a standstill a couple times. Try watching Lakers games sometime.
A random blogger writes a throwaway comment about a meaningless pickup game and you wet yourself. We get it, you don't like Bynum. You're basically a Lakers message board cliche that overreacts to everything you read on the internet.
Oh and Kobe was totally right dude. Ship out a 20 year old center with plenty upside for a 3 year rental of the corpse of Jason Kidd.
Bynum's career isn't long enough and his growth has been exponential. The career numbers don't tell the story because it includes his bench warming rookie/sop re years.
Simply put, Bynum averaged 14 pts and 8 rebounds last year in just 29 minutes.
Those are excellent numbers.
No argument here. Even with his rookie/soph bench years included... his numbers are far better than the "he sucks the majority of the time" BS J-Money is spewing.
I don't think he sucks, but i guess you can consider him crap for all the hype lakers fans give him.
Do I think he'll be top 50 all time? absolutely not.
Do I think he'll be a serviceable big for the lakers or any other championship team? absolutely, he's better than more than half the scrub big men out there, even if it's just on the offensive end.
Spurs fans needs to stop trashing this kid like he's going to be the next oden, or kwame and Laker fans need to stop hyping this kid to be the next KAJ or Wilt, your never going to be able to build around Bynum, EVER!
Maybe I just don't read these forums frequently enough, but I haven't seen a Laker fan saying he'd be a top 50player at any point. I think its safe to assume he's going to be an all-star, and he probably will be next year with the injury to Yao... but he definitely has potential especially on a team built around him to be a perennial all-star year in and year out.
I guess I'll have to look harder, but I haven't really seen any Laker fans calling him the next KAJ, maybe i've just been unlucky. Even on lakersground.net no one is saying absurd things about that.
He reminds me a lot of a solid lakers center that was traded to the Charlotte Hornets a decade ago. That centers name was Elden Campbell and Bynum definitely reminds me a lot like him with his gameplay and at ude. Just like Campbell he will have his moments where he looks like an all-star and then will have a stretch of games where he is trash
And a stretch of games in June where he'll make Howard cry "uncle."
tee, hee.
That's exactly why "per 36 minute averages" are bull . Stars average 35+ minutes per game. Duncan has a career average of 37 minutes a game. Unless Bynum learns to foul less, he'll never reach 36 minutes a game for us to find out if his "averages per 36 minutes" are as legit as basketball-reference.com make them out to be.
Bynum has shown flashes of brilliance and has shown his youth at other times. No one denies the "potential" is there, but injuries and foul trouble could be his undoing, as well.
As stated by another poster in an earlier thread, when a big man loses knee cartilage early in his career he usually has reoccuring knee problems through out his career, and many times his career is cut short. Those 260+ pound bodies can't take the pounding on their knees, especially with less cartilage to cushion the impact of all the running and jumping.
99% of the Laker fans say he has "potential" and all we need from him is to play D... block some shots and score his 10 points a game. These yahoos who claim laker fans think Bynum is the next coming of Wilt take one or two posts and assume all laker fans think the same way.
Pick 20 mins then. 12? 32? Its just a way to create a reference point... nothing more.
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