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Hard to even imagine a conservative group ever giving tax evasion advice to would-be pros utes and pimps. Conservatives would probably be even angrier.
I got me a hankering to go ideoluging.
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Hard to even imagine a conservative group ever giving tax evasion advice to would-be pros utes and pimps. Conservatives would probably be even angrier.
...too bad liberals didn't get some ass-clown to dress up like a habib in a costume from party city and catch Xe shooting up their homes for fun on hidden camera...
Not if they did something as wrong as APORN has continued to do.
throw enron in there too
conservatives are only angry when corporations give advice to poor people about how to avoid paying taxes
I feel like I saw another report of a soldier dying in Iraq because he was electrocuted in the shower. Care to talk about that?
Has that never happened in the USA?
Get real. That is stupid stuff you bring up.
Soldiers dying in showers overseas due to shoddy electrical work is "stupid stuff"? Honestly?
No, acting as if it is unique is stupid.
I have read about this a few years ago when it started happening on occasion. The existing buildings were not built properly. This happens on occasion.
It is a standard technique to attach the ground to a cold water pipe. That however, is in situations where you have the steel cold water pipes physically going into the earth. Now what has to happen, is a faulty piece of equipment plugged in and a faulty ground. The power can then travel through the water pipe.
This happens from time to time here in the good 'ol USA. Due to wiring standards and the inspection process, it is almost nonexistent today, but it can still happen in older places.
Do you think Iraq had had the same wiring standards for as many years as we have?
so....haliburton only has to follow iraqi standards. lol
Yes, but the problems have been happening for years now. At some point, shouldn't all of those be fixed?
Per this article http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/28/wo...st/28iraq.html , it seems that multiple organizations were at fault. At least when you're in the states, you have the ability to pay a contractor to check your wiring before you buy a house. You know as well as I do that soldiers live where they're told to.
The latest death was a contractor...
http://blog.taragana.com/n/ap-newsbr...n-iraq-162975/
I'm not saying it's unique, but it seems cold to just dismiss their deaths WC.
When you consider how few accidents there are over there for the number of solders...
Have to ask yourself. Is the media just reporting all bad things they can find? Sanity check please.
So you're defending them.
What do you mean?
Three soldiers and one contractor died in a shower. There are about 90,000 structures housing these people, built with low code standards or no code standards. There have been how many billions of showers taken since the start of the war?
Under the cir stances, only four deaths is actually pretty good.
Call it defending them if you want. Consider how sadistic it is to make a story of these deaths as a tool to darken what's going on.
Yes, the deaths are tragic. I'm just saying they are understandable. The death rate is probably lower than the death rate of people who die from falling coconuts.
"Military leaders and a contractor failed to protect a Green Beret who was electrocuted in his barracks, the Defense Department has determined in findings released Monday."
The Defense Dept. found that these companies failed to protect a human being. That person DIED as a result. Yet you get your panties in a bunch over ACORN. As I said in my original post if ACORN was a conservative group, you'd defend them. And ACORN hasn't killed anyone that I know of.
irony at it's finest..
"Is Fox News just reporting all bad things they can find"
yep, and when they can't find, they make up !
No, it's actually pretty horrible.
"only four deaths is actually pretty good"
Predictably, reliably, WC always spins in favor of the ins ution over individuals (a standard "conservative" thought rut), even when the ins ution is killing his beloved military.
Would you rather have a media NOT report on deaths due to contractor malfeasance? Would you rather them gloss that over? Do you think it would change the tone of the piece significantly if they shared the amount of deaths by shower in the US?
The death count, I believe, is up to 17, and it's been happening for three years now. That's a bit much. They did say they were in the process of investigating the buildings I believe, which is a good step.
But to just out of hand say, "Well, bad stuff happens, why does the media need to report it?" is silly. I mean, if you had relatives who bought a home, and one of them was electrocuted, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be so blase about the results.
3 were with showers, but if you read the link, it mentioned that 8 of the 18 electrocution deaths were attributed to faulty equipment.
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:...&ct=clnk&gl=us
Considering that there was a paper released in 2004 or so that specifically mentioned the hazards of electrocution...
oversight.house.gov/do ents/20080730102126.pdf
...you'd think that it's not too out of the blue to be upset with the contractors, no?
Darken what's going on? Like, say, continuing electrocutions? What's wrong with using this story as a hammer to bludgeon the contractors who did shoddy work, and force them to requalify their equipment?
Forgive me, but your post did not seem very sympathetic. And you're just assuming that amount of electrocutions is a low amount, arbitrarily.
According to this link, http://johndenugent.com/blog/2009/09...hower-in-iraq/ :
As far as comparing accidental electrocutions, good luck finding that info online. I found some on amount of OSHA deaths by electrocution (212 in 07, 192 in 08) but those were by people working on the job, not people using a product and getting fried by malfunctioning equipment.Records show U.S. troops suffered electrical shocks about every three days from September 2006 until July 31, 2008. A report by the Defense Contract Management Agency, based on a government search of a KBR database, indicated that 231 electrical shock incidents occurred in that period.
However, I did find THIS link. http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...?artid=2629019 Now, the population of Ireland is about 6 million.
50 accidental electrocutions over a period of 22 years, for a country of 6 million. As opposed to 8 accidental deaths for a military composed of about 3 million, over 3 to 4 years. This isn't even bringing up the fact that of course, all 3 million haven't gone over to Iraq.A review of autopsy reports in cases of electrocution in Northern Ireland revealed that there were 50 accidental electrocutions and 9 suicidal electrocutions over a 22 year period (1982 – 2003).
So yes, it seems a bit higher than it should be.
Any reporting that reflects ill on our conduct of the war or the civilian contractors supporting it -- even if it is true -- may undermine public support for the war. Therefore it is treacherous to the national interest and our soldiers in the field.
WC seems to think the press should be subservient to power and peddle its fairytale war propaganda -- e.g.,Tillman, Jessica Lynch -- while complaisantly canning any story that might adversely affect public perceptions.
At any rate, he has called press independence in bringing waste, fraud and corruption to our attention "sadistic", presumably for the negative effect on morale. He thinks the press "darkened" the war effort.
IMO waste, fraud, corruption and incompetence had already darkened it. Not reporting about these things would've been a disservice not only to the public, which has the right to know when pallets of public money disappear, but also to the uniformed military, which deserves better support than we gave it in Iraq.
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