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    Brett Favre is the greatest QB of all time.

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    Brett Favre is the greatest QB of all time.

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    You all may think I'm overrating him, but if Sanders plays tonight, it's not nearly as successful. He's built to blow stuff like that up. Especially since there's no threat of throwing it. And that last 2 minute drive by Miami was the worst attempt at offensive football I've ever seen.

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    Don't forget about Johnny U.


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    You all may think I'm overrating him, but if Sanders plays tonight, it's not nearly as successful. He's built to blow stuff like that up. Especially since there's no threat of throwing it. And that last 2 minute drive by Miami was the worst attempt at offensive football I've ever seen.

    I completely agree it's not nearly as effective, just like the run in general against the Colts when Sanders is healthy. Regardless, when your in the playoffs against the Jets and Rex Ryan has a week to prepare blitzing schemes, the wildcat will be useless.

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    I completely agree it's not nearly as effective, just like the run in general against the Colts when Sanders is healthy. Regardless, when your in the playoffs against the Jets and Rex Ryan has a week to prepare blitzing schemes, the wildcat will be useless.
    Bart Scott would make Brown look like a sissy cuckold. I can't wait for MNF in a couple weeks.

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    Bart Scott would make Brown look like a sissy cuckold.

    He'd get the sloppy seconds of what Kris Jenkins didn't take care of.

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    elway>manning

    give elway mannings reciever in the past and he would be a 40 passing touchdown quaterback every year

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    I'll take Peyton over anyone. No QB has ever made an entire offense look exponentially better the way Peyton Manning does. He made a 5'11 posession receiver in Marvin Harrison (who is not any better than say Derrick Mason) even look better than Randy freaking Moss for a lot of his career. If it wasn't for Manning, Harrison wouldn't have had NEAR the success that he has had. Same for Reggie Wayne. Seriously, the majority of the players on the Colts offense right now are rather mediocre, but Manning makes them all look like Pro-Bowlers. The guy makes amazing reads, puts the ball on the money, and simply knows football like no one else. It's too bad that the Colts have consistently put ty players around him, but think that they are good because Manning makes them look a lot better than they seem. Can you imagine if he had Randy Moss to throw to? He would have had well more than 50 TD passes.

    Manning is simply the best QB ever.

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    I'll take Peyton over anyone. No QB has ever made an entire offense look exponentially better the way Peyton Manning does. He made a 5'11 posession receiver in Marvin Harrison (who is not any better than say Derrick Mason) even look better than Randy freaking Moss for a lot of his career. If it wasn't for Manning, Harrison wouldn't have had NEAR the success that he has had. Same for Reggie Wayne. Seriously, the majority of the players on the Colts offense right now are rather mediocre, but Manning makes them all look like Pro-Bowlers. The guy makes amazing reads, puts the ball on the money, and simply knows football like no one else. It's too bad that the Colts have consistently put ty players around him, but think that they are good because Manning makes them look a lot better than they seem. Can you imagine if he had Randy Moss to throw to? He would have had well more than 50 TD passes.

    Manning is simply the best QB ever.

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    Great post Stretch. The game I actually began to respect him was actually game they lost to the Chargers, 21-23. I'm pretty sure Starvin' Marvin, Clark and Gonzalez were all injured. Their D was also banged up as could be. So yeah, he had a horrible statistical game (6 interceptions). Even with all these injuries and being down 0-16 after the first quarter, he still managed to put his team in a position where all it needed to win was a dinky FG from the most clutch kicker of all time, which he happened to miss.

    Even though his stats have been down the last two years, these are the years that show just how good Peyton is. Even with the left tackle who's been protecting his entire career gone, his favorite target since he entered the league being worthless/injured, injuries and inconsistencies from the defense, O-line and running game, they still won 12+ games each of the last two years. Right now, I say Brady and Manning are about on the same level. Neither one gets the props they should get for the two year period where their team was horrible and they kept it afloat (Brady in 2005 and 2006).

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    Great post Stretch. The game I actually began to respect him was actually game they lost to the Chargers, 21-23. I'm pretty sure Starvin' Marvin, Clark and Gonzalez were all injured. Their D was also banged up as could be. So yeah, he had a horrible statistical game (6 interceptions). Even with all these injuries and being down 0-16 after the first quarter, he still managed to put his team in a position where all it needed to win was a dinky FG from the most clutch kicker of all time, which he happened to miss.
    Gonzo wasn't on the team and if this isn't swallowing the chode, I don't know what is.

    The Colts D kept them in that game and was the sole reason they had a chance to win in that game.

    They guy is great, but let's not swallow the gravy all at once, eh?

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    Gonzo wasn't on the team and if this isn't swallowing the chode, I don't know what is.

    The Colts D kept them in that game and was the sole reason they had a chance to win in that game.

    They guy is great, but let's not swallow the gravy all at once, eh?

    My mistake. Still, he was led a 4th quarter comeback against once of the best teams that year with no name receivers who have done nothing since that game.

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    Reggie Wayne had 10 catches for 140 yards and a TD.

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    Cogito Ergo Sum LnGrrrR's Avatar
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    I'll take Peyton over anyone. No QB has ever made an entire offense look exponentially better the way Peyton Manning does. He made a 5'11 posession receiver in Marvin Harrison (who is not any better than say Derrick Mason) even look better than Randy freaking Moss for a lot of his career. If it wasn't for Manning, Harrison wouldn't have had NEAR the success that he has had. Same for Reggie Wayne. Seriously, the majority of the players on the Colts offense right now are rather mediocre, but Manning makes them all look like Pro-Bowlers. The guy makes amazing reads, puts the ball on the money, and simply knows football like no one else. It's too bad that the Colts have consistently put ty players around him, but think that they are good because Manning makes them look a lot better than they seem. Can you imagine if he had Randy Moss to throw to? He would have had well more than 50 TD passes.

    Manning is simply the best QB ever.
    I would argue that the relative non-existence of Branch and Givens once they left the Pats would also bolster Brady using the same logic.

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    I would argue that the relative non-existence of Branch and Givens once they left the Pats would also bolster Brady using the same logic.

    Also that he led a team with Reche Caldwell as its best receiver to a conference championship game.
    Last edited by DUNCANownsKOBE2; 09-22-2009 at 01:56 PM.

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    Peyton is first on my MVP ballot right now. I agree with Dirk, stats are a lot less important than a QB who can take what is given to him and put his team in the best position to win. It's not even a question right now who the best QB in the NFL is.
    QFT!

    Manning is so cerebral. I love watching him quarterback. Love him or hate him, if you don't appreciate his game you don't "get" football.He has such a mastery of the position and doesn't need a gimmick, pass 50 times a game offense to win. His play action, his accuracy. He also didn't need to run up scores on games to achive 50 TD tosses.

    The run D will come around, that I am sure of. Especially once Bob comes around.

    LOL @ texan fans thinking they are "compe ion" for us.

    LOL @ Saints fans thinking Brees is a better QB.

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    Now that Brady currently sucks, Manning is the best QB in the game by a mile.
    better than brees by a mile?

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    Cogito Ergo Sum LnGrrrR's Avatar
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    Speaking of play-action, that's one thing I've noticed was missing from the Pats game plan. I think I've seen it once this season.

    I'm sure part of it is they can't get a consistent running game, but still, I'd expect to see it more often.

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    better than brees by a mile?
    Yes, and Petyon has proven it.

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    After some more deep statistical research, I don't think there is any question that Peyton Manning has proven to be the best QB the game has seen. And I would have to say that Tom Brady is probably the next best QB of all time.

    check www.pro-football-reference.com and compare Peyton to other great QBs... he pretty much either has already, or is about to blow everyone else away in pretty much all categories.

  22. #47
    I don't think it's extremely likely, but if Peyton gets another ring, he's easily the best QB of all time.

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    Che cazzo stai dicendo? DisgruntledLionFan#54,927's Avatar
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    I don't think he'll ever be considered better than Montana. Montana's play in the playoffs, especially in the SBs, was ridiculous.

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    I don't think he'll ever be considered better than Montana. Montana's play in the playoffs, especially in the SBs, was ridiculous.
    I think people will look beyond that when all is said and done because of his sheer mastery. However, I wouldn't argue if someone disagrees with me and says that Montana is the best of all time because that their are valid arguments on both sides.

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    better than brees by a mile?
    Uh, yeah.

    Has Brees ever actually been in a pressure situation?

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